Hat tip to WEIT for the NYT article.

Discussion (25)¬

  1. Anonymous says:

    Yeah and what’s in Santa’s pipe?

  2. hotrats says:

    Please, what’s a PB?

  3. Quine Duhem says:

    PB = Personal Best

  4. Anonymous says:

    PB in sport means “personal best.” It can be hard to swim fast when you have big nail holes in your hands (I’m told). A smart god would develop webbed feet and hands for his/their event. Or transfer to the sacred paralympics.

  5. Laripu says:

    I imagine that if you can walk on water, you don’t need to be a good swimmer.

  6. M27Holts says:

    Bang goes another irony meter…the intellect of theologians (oxymoron) statement made it implode into a singularity, fortunately it’s event horizon is too small to destroy the Earth…

  7. Donn says:

    Bah, I’m not buying it. Holes in your hands would have to be gigantic to cost you appreciably in swimming performance. Appears the old man just didn’t come through on the glorified body.

  8. Son of Glenner says:

    But famously helpful when playing hide and seek (as the seeker!).

  9. Bvereshagen says:

    I heard he tried switching to rugby but got red carded for refusing to remove that illegal headgear.

  10. Tom Appleton says:

    Some swimmers swear that ‘long nails’ are an advantage over ‘short’, when aiming for a PB!

  11. M27Holts says:

    Isn’t this a similar argument as why does the hulks keks and grundies never rip off in the transformation?

  12. Acolyte of Sagan says:

    What’s to say that stigmata aren’t the defining feature of a glorified body?
    I wonder if Mo has ever been tempted to thread Jesus’ hands and feet with string and work him like a marionette?

  13. M27Holts says:

    Didn’t the romans use an X shaped cross for crucifiction and they nailed the victim through the wrist to securely fasten them. Death was through asphixiation when bodyweight collapses the thorassic cavity…so historically the xtian cross is pure fiction…made up centuries later in fact the whole of the bible is fiction…clearly…

  14. Cassandra says:

    M27Holts, when they taught me in preschool that Jesus was nailed to a cross, I imagined something like that. Being spread-eagled and nailed upright in place sounded tortuous to me. Later when I saw an image of Jesus wilting gracefully off an elongated plus sign, legs neatly together, I was a bit disappointed.

  15. Efogoto says:

    @Laripu: I heard he can’t walk on water now he’s got holes in his feet.

  16. Laripu says:

    Efogoto, if it was a miracle in the first place, then the miracle can stand a few holes.

    Speaking of holes…

    There’s one thing I never hear any religious person ever address, the fundamental thing: if god is a real thing, why isn’t the god’s presence completely and utterly obvious?

    I mean, we’re not talking about a cockroach that can hide in a hole. We’re taking about the metaphysical creator of the entire f•¢king universe. Surely that kind of thing ought to be more obvious than, say, the sun.

    Instead, the only people that claim god talks to them, that claim to have a personal evidence of god, all have a strong pecuniary motive for that claim.

    That’s natural selection: the ability to deceive is an adaptation.

  17. jb says:

    Laripu — Some devout believers will insist that God’s presence is more obvious than the sun, and that your willful refusal to see Him is an offense deserving of eternal damnation. I’ve actually argued with people who held this position. It’s always felt like a bad faith argument to me, or a sign of mental illness, but I guess if you wanted to be charitable you could see it as an enthusiasm so extreme that the holder genuinely can’t understand how others could fail to share it.

  18. Donn says:

    Goes to show why it isn’t a good question.

    There’s this thing … that I can’t define well enough to say whether “thing” is even an appropriate term, and it might be blasphemous to claim to understand, but it/he/she is immanent throughout the cosmos in some way that I can’t really relate … So, does that exist? Let’s have a lively discussion! Bah.

    I don’t know about that, but I’ll tell you this: when you die, it’s phht.

  19. Gargleblaster says:

    My thought about whether or not an eventual all-powerful, all knowing etc. etc. god would make its existence known is as follows: If it exists and does all the tricks it’s said to do, than it would have made me the way I am and knows exactly how I think and in what environment I am.
    So, should it want me to believe in it, it would know how to give me the signals needed to convince me. If it doesn’t, it can never spite me for not believing. Simple as that!

  20. paradoctor says:

    If God exists but cannot be proven to exist, then that must be one of God’s miracles, and God doesn’t want to be proven to exist. Therefore agnostics are in obedience to God’s will, and theists are in defiance.

  21. M27Holts says:

    When I die. I won’t be aware of death…and ignorance is bliss so People have said. That is possibly a way to interpret a future state without me in it….a rest until the heat-death of the universe….sounds peaceful at least…

  22. postdoggerel says:

    ‘Remember, when you are dead, you do not know you are dead. It is only painful for others.The same applies when you are stupid.’ – Ricky Gervais

  23. Donn says:

    The “Omnipotent Being could make me believe in it if it cared” argument actually seems a little thin.

    To begin with, O.B. should be assumed to be a significantly higher order of being – I would say, of consciousness, but I’m not sure you can even apply that term – so reasoning about motives as if we’re talking about your friend or neighbor is somewhat suspect.

    But even at that level … can’t we do that sort of thing? Suppose you could arrange to make someone fall in love with you via post hypnotic suggestion. Wouldn’t that be a great idea that would solve a lot of classic problems? Or would it be kind of like buying a 1st place finisher medal at the swap shop?

  24. M27Holts says:

    I lent a mate my three marathon competition medals so he could impress some girl he was courting…no skin off my nose was it….


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