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  1. JohnnieCanuck says:

    I just read that the Twelver Shia believe that the 12th Imam ‘became occulted’ in 939 or 874 or 868. That’s less than 1200 years ago. Still a long time to be flitting around, corporal or not. Strange how they have so many dates. Looks like yet another source of schism and violence.

    The article also mentioned some of the other sects, like the Seveners. Thank you for not provoking my uncontrollable curiousity any further than that.

  2. A man is taking a walk in Central park in New York. Suddenly he sees a little girl being attacked by a pit bull dog. He runs over and starts fighting with the dog. He succeeds in killing the dog and saving the girl’s life. A policeman who was watching the scene walks over and says: “You are a hero,” tomorrow you can read it in all the newspapers: “Brave New Yorker saves the life of little girl.” The man says: “But I am not a New Yorker!” “Oh, then it will say in newspapers in the morning: Brave American saves life of little girl” – the policeman answers. “But I am not an American!” – says the man. “Oh, what are you then?” The man says: “I am a Saudi!” Then next day the newspapers say: “Islamic extremist kills innocent American dog.”

    Taken from http://www.ezsoftech.com/stories/mis5.asp. There are some islamic joke sites around, but I haven’t found any that match the level of humor here.

  3. Brian says:

    Clearly, Mo (PBUH) in bed with Jesus playing his hippy guitar is being portrayed as an insane Islamic extremist.

  4. Danu says:

    Johnnie, the most accepted date is 874, which is when the ‘Ghaibat as-Sughra’ [the Lesser Occultation] began. The Imam was said to have been 5 years old at the time. During this time, he was concealed from the general public but often met with pious Shi’as. To communicate with the general public, he had a ‘safeer’ and there were four safeers in the Lesser Occultation. After about 70 years (equivalent to a man’s lifetime) – after the fourth safeer had died – the Imam went into Ghaibat al-Kubra, the Greater Occultation which has stretched on to date. In the Greater Occultation, he doesn’t meet with anyone except the most trusted Shi’as [I don't think they even exist anymore!]. He is seen as a savior figure, about to set things right and avenging his forefathers of the injustice shown to them by the various [and according to Shi'as, illegitimately installed] caliphs of the Islamic state. He is supposed to pave the way for the coming of Jesus.

    If you want, I’ll tell you a bit about Seveners too…

  5. Hamidreza says:

    Its gotta be pure idiocy to believe in these crap stories about Imam’s occultation, etc, and meeting with trusted (meaning self-installed) Shia leaders, etc.

    I wonder how the human species can close his mind and believe in the unproven and the unprovable to the point that he wants to rule and enslave others through this belief (with the help of the AK47 and the RPG, of course).

  6. peterNW1 says:

    Is Mo’s guitar a Cat Stevens reference?

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