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January 22nd, 2025
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Qur’ap or Shiite?
Oh, Quine, now you’ve really stepped in it!
A real schoolboy joke, made me laugh outloud
One of these days, I’ll get around to reading the Qur’an.
But first I’ve promised to myself to finally read the Bible from beginning to end, maybe skipping Genesis 5. I’ve read chunks of it, and growing up will have heard chunks more. But I’ve never read it all. I feel that as an atheist who was raised Christian, I should be more knowledgeable about their Holy Book.
After that… maybe the “chloroform in print” of the Book of Mormon. I do have trouble getting to sleep some nights.
Will Mo be reading the buy-bull next?
The Q in Quran ideally would sound different from K, at least as pronounced in a language like Arabic with both sounds. English is not such a language, though, and for the most part we should not pretend. E.g., Bach ends with a K, not the vile retching that music historians are prone to.
Donn Cave My German relatives seem to use the guttural pronunciation whereas my English friends prefer ‘Bark’. What’s your authority for your statement?
I’d always assumed that “Bach” was pronounced the same way that Scots say “loch”, with the “ch” a soft, breathy sound from the back of the mouth… And that it was only Sassenachs who pronounced them “Back” and “Lock”.
Here’s a guide on how to pronounce “loch”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMkoHt73loQ&ab_channel=caldamac
Personally, I say the “ch” sound less gutturally and with more a breathy sound. I don’t close the back of my mouth as much as “caldamac” does. I say it more like the way Spaniards say “J”.
If you like to use Scottish, German etc. pronunciation, and you can do it gracefully and more or less correctly, it’s up to you. But while speaking English, it is not incumbent on us to pronounce sounds that are not part of English. If there’s a “correct” way to say “Bach” in English, it ends with a K. (And hopefully we need no instruction on how to say the vowel, because with all the dialectal variations, it’s hard to write about it — “bock”? no, I think that’s going to be the wrong vowel for many speakers, though not for me as someone from the American west.) Anyone who tries to correct you for speaking English when you’re speaking English, deserves a hard kick in the rear.
I’d be real surprised if the Germans have precisely one way to say ‘ach’. (Note that ‘ich’ is a different consonant, and ‘ig’ is commonly pronounced the same I think.)
And getting back to the Arabs, I believe the same is true of Q. it isn’t going to be precisely the same across the Arabic speaking world. In English, we don’t typically have that sound, certainly not as distinct from K. Jesus probably did, but he seems to have switched from Aramaic to English.
The more cilturally attuned would say Johanne Sebastian….
M27, you are right about that world class genius and (ahem) evangelist. Here is a work to mourn the state of politics in the USA. https://youtu.be/t8rYzpC-d44?t=276
And, just for good measure… https://fb.watch/xiQKdvnbh0/
Then like now, it pays to be religious…Think I might design.a web site to fleece Trump supporters…it won’t be hard…
@m27. “Yo Yo” to his friends.
Anyway, I’ve heard Sassenachs say “Bach” properly, then “loch” as “lock”.
Cultural Imperialists.
Look at their faces, then hear what that fat fuck thinks of being asked to be merciful. https://youtu.be/2fSphED1VYo?t=186
And of course the name “Menzies” should be pronounced as if spelt “Mingus”.
I have always attributed the idiosyncrasies of Indian pronunciation as being the result of the use of retroflexive ‘d’s and ‘t’s and unexplosive ‘p’s. I have no idea if this is how English is translated into Hindi or Punjabi. And as for Xhosa clicks……
https://baptistnews.com/article/now-the-us-house-wants-to-censor-a-preacher/
Aye. The surname Featherstone-Hall is pronounced Fanshaw…
M27, astounding. As documented in the Domes Day Book. https://surnamedb.com/Surname/Fanshaw and I thought that it was strange that in the English language one could spell fish as photi.
@SonOfGlenner: Just ask Ruairidh Duguid, formerly of 32 Dalziel Gardens, now living at 12 Garioch Road, Finzean.
arbeyu: Nice to hear from a fellow fan of the Aberdeen comedy group, the Flying Pigs! They are booked for His Majesty’s Theatre (NB NOT Her Majesty’s Theatre!) this summer. (Best to book early, as they are very popular!)
I’ll mayhap look for a ticket for the Flying Pigs.
The originals (and best?)…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqnX0gmbi_U&ab_channel=CallumStuart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzS3AdzZ0Nw&ab_channel=HannahMcLachlan
I still crease up every time I see a futtrit “F.E.R.R.E.T. Futtrit!”
arbeyu: Ah! “Scotland The What” of blessed memory! Long gone, but The Flying Pigs are worthy successors (even some descendants). Sadly even they are getting a bit long in the tooth.
M27, your reference to fleecing tRump supporters is spot on. They are such dolts. My god, what have they done to the country I loved so well?
As the human race breeds like cockroaches and the average human unit is an uneducated , ignorant and unthinking weapon for those who can fill their tiny minds with murderous absurdities…
And posydog, I’m working on it…it will be like taking candy from a baby…