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  1. Son of Glenner says:

    Hi, fellow-regulars at the old Cock & Bull pub. I shall be attending the Humanists UK Convention in Belfast this weekend. Some of you may also be there. We may be able to meet up under our real names.

    My real name is Etaoin Shrdlu.

  2. Henry Ford says:

    I love those dollar signs. 🙂

  3. Ackshly, Mo, it’s even simpler than that – the word “freedom” is a dog-whistle all by itself. It’s a dog-whistle for the whole idea that Submission to God/Allah is in practice submission to clerics and a Very Bad Idea.

  4. PS Freedom freedom freedom freedom freedom freedom freedom

  5. M27Holts says:

    As a reprise…”Isn’t constantly lying to yourself” a primary driver of delusion? And intellectual dishonesty is just a delusion dressed up in mental finery? The brains eqivalence to all Fur Coat and no knickers…

  6. M27Holts says:

    Faith sits there stark bollock naked and yet everbody declares the finery of its appearance…this has to stop if we are ever going to be rid of the useless twats who all together are the clerical leeches on the arse of mankind…

  7. postdoggerel says:

    No. Not a pitfall on the path of progress. I said a pimple on the ass of progress.

  8. DocAtheist says:

    And, for those in the know, “Globalists” is a dogwhistle for Jews trying to take over the world, as in Protocols of the Elders of Zion bullocks.

  9. Donn says:

    Thank you, I’m embarrassed to say I missed that.

  10. M27Holts says:

    I thought uñit was the illuminati…shape shifting lizards from area 51…

  11. Laripu says:

    Regarding Icke, lizard people ruling the earth, illuminati and a Jewish conspiracy to rule the earth:

    The idea of freedom of speech was invented by intelligent people, with the goal of allowing good ideas to flourish. Then it became possible for stupid-nuts to widely propagate idiocies to billions of other stupid-nuts. Like the internet, and with the internet, freedom of speech was a great idea that has been harnessed by selfish people for influence and greed.

    Physics, biology, and biochemistry are difficult to understand. Conspiracy theories are designed to be easy to understand. Stupid-nuts convince themselves that they’re smarter than scientists by believing conspiracy theories. And there are way more stupid-nuts than there are intelligent people.

    Which brings us to democracy, another idea invented by intelligent people…

  12. M27Holts says:

    Aye. Giving numb-nutz the vote is a very bad idea….who thought it would be the right way to go….like islamist sheep voting in hardline islamist nutters then wondering why their country and economy has gone to shit…

  13. Laripu says:

    M27Holts, here’s what I’ve been thinking:

    Big business always wins, and this time it might not be so bad.
    Times have changed. It used to be that business needed lots of assiduous workers doing the same thing over and over. Now, there’s a great need for talent that can think logically while simultaneously being creative.

    It used to be that business could oppress workers because there were always more where they came from. Not anymore. Talent is rare, and intelligent creativity can’t flourish in an atmosphere of societal angst.

    So I think big business will influence government to create societies in which smart people can be happy and productive. But it will take time until they figure out how to remove most of the political power from stupid-nuts.

    It may have something to do with cheap food, drugs, and television. Bread, wine, and circuses updated to modern times.

    Whatever it is, business will minimally respond to the needs of the rare talent. That’s what I’ve been thinking.

  14. Donn says:

    Does Amazon have warehouses where you are? If you know anyone who works in that situation, see what they think about the future of work.

  15. Anonymous says:

    Donn, Amazon does have warehouse here, and the workers have complained. I was referring to different kinds of workers. The warehouse workers will eventually be replaced by robotics.

    I do agree with you though. The majority will be well and truly f√¢ked.

  16. Laripu says:

    Sorry, that was me. I forgot to put my user name. As if you didn’t know. 🥴

  17. jveeds says:

    Thank you Doc, I also didn’t catch that dog whistle. Although there is a neutral sense– planning of economic and foreign policy in relation to events and developments throughout the world– the antisemitic sense used in this edition is: a term used to promote the antisemitic conspiracy that Jewish people do not have allegiance to their countries of origin (like the United States) but to some worldwide order—like a global economy or international political system—that will enhance their control over the world’s banks, governments, and media

  18. Choirboy says:

    You don’t need lizard people or Islamic sheep to take over when you have the SCOTUS, packed by the Orange One before he was ‘robbed’. Their recent two “judgments”, entirely and cynically against the known wishes of 75% of the public clearly show their allegiance is firmly with what their imaginary friend is whispering in their ears. Separation of church and state? As if.

  19. Donn says:

    Well, I hope I can say this and not be burned for a heretic, but I’m somewhat sympathetic to the view that the Roe v Wade decision was bad law, that hanging this on a right to privacy that was distilled from a “penumbra” was not the kind of business the Supreme Court should have been in. Regardless of the preferences of 75% of the public, which is really quite immaterial.

    The real win will be, if this can ever happen, that public will shuck off the bogus moral dilemmas inculcated by the priests, and come to see this as simply a medical decision that doesn’t need to be subject to legal constraints, whatever the trimester. Until then, Americans don’t deserve the freedom they ambivalently want. If people genuinely want to revere and foster “life”, there are many good ways to do it that are crying out for resources.

  20. M27Holts says:

    What was bad about it? All laws with arbitrary parameters are essentially scuppered and do have grey areas that need to be flexible enough to prosecute sensibly?

  21. Laripu says:

    To begin with, Roe v Wade wasn’t a law, it was a decision by the Supreme Court.

    It didn’t go nearly far enough. The Court should have made it clear, from the beginning, that government shouldn’t interfere in private medical decisions.

    As it stands now, each state will make it’s own laws concerning abortion. Some have no exceptions – even in the case that the fetus is dead and is endangering the life of the mother – even in the case of rape and/or incest.

    Simply put: women have lost rights.

    At least one Justice also wants to re-examine the rights to homosexual sex, same-sex marriage, and to contraception.

    We have a minority that is making us a theocracy. Every sane person should vote those phuckers out, permanently, and pass appropriate laws. Given the structure of the United States, which gives states with low populations disproportionate power, that’s unlikely.

  22. jb says:

    Donn — I tend to agree. The wishes of the people are not the issue here; it’s all about legal principle. If I had my way even late pregnancy abortions would be legal, but it’s never been clear to me that the American constitution had anything to say about the matter.

    I’m not a legal scholar, so I wouldn’t be able to get into the weeds. but it seems likely to me that the liberal judges who decided Roe v Wade essentially just wrote their personal moral thinking into law. Even when their beliefs happen to be the same as mine, that’s not what judges are supposed to do! I was outraged when five liberal Supreme Court justices redefined the institution of marriage in 2015 according to the way they personally felt it ought to be, because it was a clear case of judicial activism. (Every last framer of the Constitution would have been similarly outraged!) So even though I’m strongly pro-abortion, I’m conflicted about the overturning of Roe v Wade, which can be seen as undoing a similar instance of judicial activism.

  23. Choirboy says:

    In a democracy how can the wishes of 75% of the population be ‘immaterial’?
    This is quite obviously a cynical trick to bypass the legitimate votes of the majority, deprive women of their rights and entrench religious/right imposed values for generations to come.
    It is certainly becoming a theocracy and unless actions are taken now either to expand the SCOTUS to rebalance it or impose limited terms the future is bleak. As ever the GOP, claiming to be the party for individual freedom imposes its minority views to limit the rights of millions. The hypocrisy is astounding and it’s always interesting to see the ‘pro-lifers’ sudden blood lust when it comes to hanging, shooting, gassing, electrocuting or injecting the poor souls they’ve kept in a box for twenty-five years.
    The gross misinterpretation of the Second also needs to be challenged more robustly if the wasted 32,000 innocent lives p.a. are to be avoided but the other ridiculous SCOTUS ‘judgment’ has only given new impetus to all those sad characters who think they are John Wayne on the frontier.

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