An edited resurrection today, while I am on holiday. It references a hadith.

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  1. MarkyWarky says:

    Oh come on Jesus, you’re a fine one to talk, having tempted Adam and Eve with an Apple, then condemning the whole of humanity to either hell or a life of servitude to you as a result!

  2. Henry ford says:

    Ah yes, the remnants of a shamanic ritual involving originally involving hallucinogenic mushrooms…… I think Hindus occasionally indulge. As do some others……….

  3. Henry Ford says:

    Too much involvement, sorry……

  4. M27Holts says:

    Camel urine was the leading panacea of it’s time….also chopping bits off and killing people you didn’t like was the law of those barbaric times…we can’t go condeming people for their cultural historical viewpoints (unless they are white, priviledged, male and usually European…)

  5. Mockingbird says:

    Don’t get the hump, Jesus.

  6. Laripu says:

    When I read about such cruelty, it affects me physically, an unpleasant physical feeling. I take that to be the effect of empathy.

    Some people don’t feel that, but I suspect that the majority do. I also think more people do today than did in the distant past.

    If that’s true, what evolutionary forces drive the increased frequency of empathy?

  7. Jesus F Iscariot says:

    Camel urine has been replaced by Invermectin due to the latter’s anecdotally proven healing properties. It cured Donald Trump’s Covid (though treason is a side effect).

  8. Son of Glenner says:

    I see Mo has acquired a larger guitar (?). Why is he playing it in bed? Is it because the J&M duo have a gig coming up and he needs to practise as often as possible?

  9. M27Holts says:

    I’m sure the classical spanish guitar wasn’t around in Mo’s times. I don’t think music was his thing, more the screams of tortured infidels being punished with 7th century torture devices…that sound is now replicated by Celine Dion…

  10. Highlander says:

    To be fair, they were likely punished more for their apostasy than they were punished for killing herders and driving off camels. They would likely have been punished the same way if they had turned apostate and not killed the camel herders. We all know the punishment for apostasy from Islam is a gruesome death.

  11. Mockingbird says:

    So, the only wisdom displayed was from the camel?

    Sounds about right.

  12. Mockingbird says:

    SoG – Guitar. You’re right. Latest has the proportions of the old “Levin Goliath” (as used by early Elvis ) It appears to be strung as a three string bass, which is not going to do it any good at all. 🙁

  13. Rrr says:

    Mockingbird: I was just going to point out that the guitar seems a bit hamstrung — but that joke may have been in bad taste with various creeds so I just let it go.

    Thank you.

  14. Walking pine says:

    Especially enjoyed comments this time. What is the inspiration? Camel urine, 3 string guitar, barmaid’s silence or empathy with torture? Actually, I favor the image of Mo & J fidgeting on the bed over who plays guitar.

  15. M27Holts says:

    Is “3 string guitar” the same euphamism as “1 string Banjo”? Is the author’s subtlety even more deep than we think. Mo playing in bed with his “3 string guitar”, makes him a onanist does it not?

  16. Donn says:

    If European Jeezo-nuts aren’t on the same page, I’m a little disappointed in them. Faith, but not enough faith?

  17. postdoggerel says:

    The truth is Honduran,
    and comes not from Turin.
    The truth is in Mayan;
    therein the truths lie in.
    For if it’s not urine,
    It’s certainly Mayan.

  18. M27Holts says:

    Xtian jeezo-nuts in blighty are far less numerous than rhose in the bible-belt…churches full of old-people frightened by death…

  19. Donn says:

    Churches full of people, who are not nuts? Am I missing something? What are they doing there?

  20. M27Holts says:

    When I said full. I meant only old people in them…congregations down by 90%

  21. M27Holts says:

    The church I got wed in, was demolished 2 years ago…

  22. Rrr says:

    Correlation is usually not causation. :p

  23. Mockingbird says:

    M27 – Don’t blame yourself .. .. .. ..

  24. Laripu says:

    M27Holts, the huge attendance at US churches may be more tribal and racial than religious.


    As usual, religion is used to motivate social and political behavior. Someone said “for good people to do evil things, that takes religion”.

  25. M27Holts says:

    Although Religion is declining in caucasian populations in blighty. The same cannot be said of the other ethnic minorities, where religiosity seems to be almost 100%. And the belief in any “woo” seems to perpetuated by popular memes in the media that all suggest/claim that metaphysical phenomena are real and that the more likely physical science explanations are far-fetched! The mrs was watching loose-women when I finished work and the one woman of reason was scoffed at for suggesting the other three women’s experiences of supernatural conversations with various dead relatives were in fact Lucid dreams. Their complete ignorance of more likely physical and proven brain driven hallucinations is the norm for nearly all the women featured on the programme…Mankind is definately going to be laid-low by morons spoon-fed by mass media to consume bullshit by the tonne…

  26. Son of Glenner says:

    M27Holts: Your Loose Women story reminded me of a throwaway remark I saw on a science story on Youtube. Apparently one of the USA’s most distinguished scientific bodies decided one year to hold their annual convention in Las Vegas. During the convention, the takings at the many casinos were greatly reduced, and the LV authorities pleaded with that learned society to never bring back their convention.

    Barnum may be the man who allegedly said “there’s a sucker born every minute”, but religious organisations and gambling companies certainly put that philosophy into practice.

  27. M27Holts says:

    I have worked on the probability and (human nature) routines for a large on-line betting company. These engines are very successful in analysing betting patterns of their customers (suckers) and encourage gambling addiction as a primary function as that clearly maximises profit. The new time-out gimmicks and such are as effective as anti-smoking adds in preventing addiction.

  28. M27Holts says:

    My point…a lot of people are ADDICTED to religion…very hard to kick some addictions.

  29. Donn says:

    Addiction is a biopsychosocial disorder characterized by compulsive engagement in rewarding stimuli despite adverse consequences.

    For me, it doesn’t add up. Religion is more or less inevitable, because of two weak spots in our heads:

    1. it’s hard to conceive of ourselves as only corporeal things whose thoughts and experiences are simply physiological phenomenon. So we must have a spirit, and it has the attractive potential to persist after physiological death.

    2. it’s hard to dispense with mom and dad take up adult individual responsibility. The developmental point at which it becomes clear that the real mom and dad aren’t up to providing the shelter and guidance that we need, is about the time at which religious belief gets meaningful.

    But as Laripu points out, the success of particular religious cults is all about their fit with society and the community they provide. If you want to help people go cold turkey on the religious folderol, give them some other positive feeling of belonging.

  30. M27Holts says:

    The cartesian theatre theory of self has been empirically busted. Dan Dennetts multiple-drafts theory is more convincing but the book that promotes that is probably too hard to read by the majority of slack-jawed drooling fookwits that lap up dogma by the shed-load…But I still class a refusal to accept reality for what it is as a mental illness that makes you addicted to self-evident falsehoods…

  31. Donn says:

    That’s OK, as long as you don’t start with the Chinese Room argument. That really drives me up the wall.

  32. M27Holts says:

    Chinese room thought experiment has an a-priori supposition that sinks it straight away. That is our organic brains are somehow different from a brain stamped onto a silicon chip. Not sure that Dennett mentioned it in his book, but the philosophical tenet that consciousness is somewhat separate from the brain is just the cartesian theatre theory which Dennett destroys with evidence from some very clever experiments…

  33. M27Holts says:

    Everything must evolve from simplicity but given billions of years the blind watchmaker can make a very powerful computer, one that is capable of creating even more powerful computers. The problem is that the human computer can be programmed to be moronic by morons…a flaw that evolution cannot possibly eradicate. That could only be achieved by selective controlled breeding or biological engineering and a “purge” of undesirables. However, such a plan suffers from an obvious flaw…who decides which units are undesirable? What metrics do you use?

  34. Rawdon Crawley says:

    Did they try the camel urine on the mutilated men to see how well it works?

  35. postdoggerel says:

    How about a cold camel urine challenge?
    Here is my first choice for the honor, living proof that pond scum are sentient.


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