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Discussion (32)¬

  1. Peter Dykes says:

    Je suis Charlie. Nice one auth.

  2. Tomas says:

    Beautiful! So to speak…

  3. Jesus F Iscariot says:

    Charlie Hebdo posted a cartoon with Mo wearing a Turban that was also a bomb. Reminds me of this one:

    The merchant Mohammed was bad
    He porked young Aishia
    And said that’ll teach ya
    (Polygamous warlord and cad)

    The gown wearing pedo was glad
    Convert or we’ll kill you
    Both Christian and Jew
    So don’t make the warlord too mad

  4. Son of Glenner says:

    Non! Je suis Charlie! Aussi Spartacus!

  5. Anonymous says:

    Je Suis Charlie. Excellent to remember this dreadful event

  6. raymondm says:

    I usually smirk. But this time I LOLed.

  7. Laripu says:

    The less likely the truth of the belief, the more vehement will be the defense of that belief by extremists. Even up to violence, when their numbers and laws allow.

    Note how little vehement defense there is of the model of the earth as an ellipsoid. That idea is used in practical matters and works well. It’s routinely used by the most practical of all organizations, the world’s militaries. It needs no defense as an idea.

    But some flat-earthers are willing to die for their belief:

    Ah, Charles Darwin, you left us too soon! What would you have thought of this modern world?

  8. Son of Glenner says:

    Laripu: Eratosthenes of Cyrene, around 200 BCE, not only knew the world was round, but estimated its circumference with remarkable accuracy, using the simplest of tools, just sticks and shadows. Canadian “Mad” Mike could have replicated these experiments himself, without having to build a steam-punk rocket.

  9. M27Holts says:

    What!!!! The earth is a squashed sphere? And here is me thinking it is a flat circle supported by four giant elephants on the back of a huge turtle, swimming through space…

  10. Henry Ford says:

    key of E…. oh hell, better change instrument. Bagpipes in E? No, I dont think so…..

  11. Poor Mo, always trying to catch up – it must be miserable to be a mere prophet shacked up with God’s actual OFFSPRING.

  12. postdoggerel says:

    in these times of blood letting extremes
    and world shaking, life changing memes
    there is one that’s most needed
    but most times goes unheeded
    freedom to one who blasphemes

  13. Someone says:

    Mo really does like to keep things quiet, whether it’s people expressing inalienable rights to free (oppositional) speech, or that Muslims moon Mecca every day when they take a shit.

  14. Len says:

    Excellent author (as usual!)

    Now Mo, don’t forget you’re just a body-double.

  15. W says:

    My wife and I were riding a train from Berlin to Prague in July of ’15. It stopped at the border to change crew and let on more passengers. Painted on the side of what looked like a warehouse was Je Suis Charlie. It was quite moving.

    I’m glad that there will be some justice served, and I hope it will bring some measure of relief and sense of justice to the survivors and relatives of those killed.

  16. Laripu says:

    Son of Glenner, why do you say Mike Hughes was Canadian? Wikipedia says he was American and spent his childhood in Oklahoma City.

    Did you read something I haven’t seen?

    Canada had is share of nuts, but I think Hughes wasn’t one of them.

  17. Son of Glenner says:

    Laripu: You are quite correct about Mike Hughes; I was distracted by the prominence of “canada” in your link. My apologies to the fine dominion of Canada, the comparatively sane region of that part of North America north of Mexico, and home to Darwin Harmless amongst others – yourself, Laripu?

    Whether Mad Mike was Canuck or Yank, the fact remains that he could have copied the experiments of Eratosthenes just using sticks and shadows and some sort of measuring ruler, much simpler than the building of a steam rocket.

  18. Son of Glenner says:

    Re my previous remarks about regions of North America, I forgot about Greenland. I’m not sure whether it counts as part of North America, or part of Europe, because of the Denmark connection. Whatever, if my remarks are taken as casting aspersions on Greenland, I apologise to there as well as to Canada.

    I’m pretty sure Svalbard is well clear of North America and will not take offence.

  19. James R. Baerg says:

    The sticks & shadows thing can still be done at two places significantly north & south of each other.

    However, ever since long distance phone calls became common it has been easier for two flat earthers who live a few thousand km east-west of each other to call each other a bit before sunset at the westerly location & check that the sun has set at the easterly location.
    Or would each one then believe the other is part of the round earth conspiracy?

  20. Son of Glenner says:

    James R. Baerg: And sticks and shadows can even be used to define “north” & “south” at any location. (Apart from the poles, obvs.) That could go back even earlier than Eratosthenes.

  21. Laripu says:

    Son of Glenner, I spent the first 40 years of my life in Canada, mostly in Montreal, a special city that I still love. It’s a city that honors it’s native son, Leonard Cohen, with two building-sized murals, one that’s 20 stories tall. (Google “Cohen mural”.)

    They say Montreal is a city in which French is spoken with an English accent and English is spoken with a French accent. C’est vrai.

    In 1997, I moved to Florida for a job, and went through a rigorous 9-year immigration process. I’ve been a US citizen since 2006, which allowed me to vote for Obama in 2008 and 2012.

    I am something of a mixture: I write “honor” instead of “honour”, but I remain a hockey fan. Only now, my team is the Tampa Lightning instead of the Montreal Canadiens. 🙂

    And while I don’t believe there’s a hell, I think Montreal in winter may be punishment enough.

  22. M27Holts says:

    Laripu. I was a supporter of Manchester United before I could read or write…you can never change your team…regardless of geographic domicide….

  23. Deimos says:

    M27Holts. That is one of the most correct things I’ve seen written in a long time. Your team is written in your DNA, it is impossible to change and attempting to do so is the highest form of secular heresy. To quote Saint Shankley “Football isn’t a matter of life and death, its much more important than that”. Amen

  24. Son of Glenner says:

    Laripu: Thank you for your account of your two “roots”. A simple yes or no would have sufficed, but it was interesting reading. Unfortunately I’m not in a position to offer you a job! Montreal sounds like quite a city! I’ll comment separately on the Leonard Cohen murals.

    In all fairness, I should match your disclosure with my own. Some followers of J&M already know snippets about me. I was born in 1940 near the geographical central point of Scotland. My father was a small farmer; I don’t think there are any still left like him, as farming has become more industrialised. He wrote verse, a bit better than doggerel standard, which was often printed in a local newspaper, with his nom-de-plume “Glenner”, hence my moniker. I think of myself both as a proud Scot and as a citizen of Planet Earth and do not consider these are contradictory.

    I studied at Aberdeen University and have remained in the “Granite City” for the rest of my life. I was a school teacher (Biology), not a very good one. Since retiring I have practised as a humanist funeral celebrant, with over 1,100 ceremonies to my credit. I am far better at that than I ever was at teaching! I am a vegan, and was for some time an elected trustee of The Vegan Society, attending trustee meetings at first in Hastings and later in Birmingham (England, not Alabama!) after the Society moved its offices there in 2007.

    Politically, I was once associated with, and active in, the leftish Scottish National Party, but have long since severed that connection and now lean towards the Scottish Green Party. I voted Remain in the recent Brexit referendum, and bitterly regret the outcome.

    Unlike yourself, M27Holts and Deimos, I am not a big sports fan. In fact, I slightly despise competitive sports, and more strongly despise dyed-in-the-wool sports fans, although, to my shame, I do take some pleasure when Aberdeen FC (football, or “soccer”) have some success. BTW, Alex Ferguson, now Sir Alex, was manager of Aberdeen FC, and had great success with them before defecting to England and M27Holts’ beloved Man U. I am familiar with the quote from Mr Shankley, which I find profoundly sad, if he really meant it. Did he perhaps have his tongue in his cheek? I trust Deimos had his tongue in his cheek!

    My weight is 71 kg, much the same as when I was 30 years old, and friends tell me I look younger than my 80 years. I don’t think dementia has yet set in, but I don’t know how my friends and relatives will be able to tell, if/when I do develop dementia!

  25. M27Holts says:

    SOG. The tribal association of any set is a fundamental setting of homo sapiens evolution…..a million years of such powerful natural selection is probably impossible to eradicate. I don’t expect anybody can understand anothers satisfaction and release of adrenilin when your side defeats the hated enemy….

  26. Laripu says:

    Deimos and M27Holts: both of you asserted that it’s impossible to change your team affiliation, immediately after I provided information that I had done just that. Curious: assertions contrary to evidence.

    In Canada, the country of my birth, ice hockey is like a religion. Nevertheless, the Montreal Canadiens lost my support when I realized that their financial decisions had nothing to do with winning. They realized that their fan base would allow them to make more money by keeping only mediocre players indefinitely, than by spending the money needed for topnotch talent. That’s precisely because the sport is so loved there. Fans will pay, regardless.

    They used to be the best team in the league when I was a child in the 60s and a teen in the 70s. They haven’t won a cup since 1993.

    In Tampa, support didn’t come naturally. People here knew ice only as something that floated in their drinks. Typical temperature in January is 20°C. The team have had to win the support of the fan base and have done things both in the sport and in the community to make that happen.

    There are no murals of poets here. But there are palm trees and incredible flowers, and weird birds. I learn to love what is available, in the place where it is available.

  27. Son of Glenner says:

    “Cohen mural” I strongly recommend following Laripu’s suggestion of googling this.

    I found 3, not 2, versions! I much prefer the “Saint-Laurent” mural (three-quarter face) to the “Crescent Street” one (hand on heart), although both are impressive. There’s another one, head only, surrounded by what looks like purple ribbon (?), which I do not like one tiny bit. There are several variations of this last one online, probably different stages in the painting of just one finished mural.

    For about the last three years, Aberdeen has had a “Nu-Art” festival, with murals being created in various parts of the city centre; not this year, due to the pandemic. They certainly liven up the city, and generate a lot of public interest, even attracting visitors. I believe this is a widespread movement, originating in Norway (?). The sort of high-rise buildings now going up in many countries are ideal for this purpose. No-one is going to like every single mural, but most people will like many of them.

    Are there many other murals in Montreal, nothing to do with Leonard Cohen?

    Laripu: I like your last two lines: “There are no murals of poets here …” They are themselves poetry, better than my dear old father could churn out!

    M27Holts: I got your cited adrenalin rush many years ago, when my chosen party had an unexpected election victory. Since then, there have been few occasions for celebration, but I think I have grown out of it anyway.

  28. Laripu says:

    Son of Glenner, the one with the ribbon is the one near Blvd Saint-Laurent. – unless there’s one I don’t know about. (English Montrealers colloquially call that street St. Lawrence or “the Main”.)

    That neighborhood was where Cohen owned a small very modest house. It has been home to successive waves of immigrants for over 100 years, Jewish, Greek, Portuguese. They’ve all left restaurants, grocery stores, and other cultural artefacts in the area, making it an exciting place to live. I grew up a few blocks away.

    There are many murals in Montreal.

    One street away in that neighborhood is the Jackie Robinson mural. He was the first
    Black baseball player in the US major leagues, who got his start in a minor league team in Montreal. They have many festivals there every summer, among them the mural festival. (The long winter causes them to celebrate summer very intensely.)

    I think about them sometimes in December, when it’s 25°C (= 77°F) in Tampa, but 25°F (= -4°C) in Montreal. 🙂

  29. Someone says:

    Meanwhile, a 91 year old Ukrainian religious leader who blamed homosexuals for being responsible for Covid has contracted the disease.
    Funniest fucking thing I’ve read all day.

    Here’s the article if you’re interested:

  30. Mockingbird says:

    Good laugh, thanks for that SOMEONE. I copied the sentence below, laughing cos I missed the word in brackets.

    “The 91-year-old, who is the Patriarch of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church Kiev Patriarchate, is currently in a stable (condition) being treated, “

  31. M27Holts says:

    Ahhh….those gays eh? I thought it was some daft culinary explorer who fancied spatch-cocked fruit bat and didn’t get his barby hot enough….

  32. Laripu says:

    As phrases go, M27Holts, yours is a beaut: “fancied spatch-cocked fruit bat”. It made me smile multiple times. 🙂


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