I’m away at the moment, so here’s a slightly updated version of a 5-year-old strip, which seems apposite in light of Lord Carey’s recent comments.

Discussion (43)¬

  1. HaggisForBrains says:

    Love the newspaper headline!

    “Bigotophobia” Let’s hope that one catches on in the blogosphere, to replace Islamophobia etc.

  2. Mike Orton says:

    Five years old or five thousand years old- -the truth about religion NEVER changes!

  3. Jobrag says:

    I never understood two aspects of this woman’s case, why didn’t her employer point out that she wasn’t “marrying” anyone she was performing a CIVIL CEREMONY; and did anyone ask her if she’d refused to officiate at ceremonies uniting divorcees or any other pairing that her church forbad.

  4. Sondra says:

    as re: the article to which you refer – I’m glad they’ve banned the wearing of crosses. I can’t stand being reminded that I’m descended from people who once nailed their fellow human beings to crosses. What kind of person wants to remember and remind others of our barbaric past?

  5. fenchurch says:

    Now, now, let’s be gentle… for a group of people who’ve enjoyed majority and privilege for hundreds of years, being asked to follow laws of equality and not discriminate *would* seem like targeted persecution.

    It must be just like what those poor plantation owners felt when they had to start fetching their own mint juleps and fan themselves on the lanai.

  6. “Bigots are the new Jews.” Gotta love it. 🙂

  7. Nassar Ben Houdja says:

    Bigotophobia, the do gooders rage
    Another minority to loudly engage
    Contrarinaism is is very fashionable
    Bigotophobia is acceptably trashable
    To the book of stupid, another page.

  8. Ketil w.Grevstad says:


  9. Bigotophobia…heheheheheheh. Good one.

  10. WalterWalcarpit says:

    I love Jesus’ last comment. “first they came for the bigots but I did not speak out, for I was not a bigot”
    Absolute classic.
    I wanna tweet that with #creepingsharia.

    But what a hastag Bigotophobia could be!

  11. Acolyte of Sagan says:

    Sondra, you ask “What kind of person wants to remember and remind others of our barbaric past”?
    Well, me for one, just not in a way that glorifies it. The more that people’s minds are opened to the horrors of our past, rather than being fed the sanitised glories of war, the hero’s death, the biblical stoicism, the better we will be for it.
    If we forget the mistakes of the past then we are doomed to repeat them (I wish I could remember who said that, but it’s late, I’m tired, my meds are rapidly kicking in, I can’t be bothered to look it up, and I’ve probably mis-quoted it anyway).

    And is it just me or does anyone else think that our resident poet’s vocabulary has recently widened beyond recognition? Is this really the same NBH who, not so very long ago, had trouble spelling the most basic words yet now casually tosses around words like ‘contrarianism’ (admittedly mis-spelt above, but a simple typo rather than an inability to spell it), ‘vernacular’ and ‘insipid banality’ like he’s casting pearls among swine? Hmmm…

  12. WalterWalcarpit says:

    Perhaps NBH is really an AI computer whose lexicon grows with use. One feeds it a strip and it outputs a limerick. Which also improve over time.
    This would adequately explain why one cannot engage with conversation.
    Now just how does it work around the not-a-spammer oath?

  13. Acolyte of Sagan and WalterWalcarpit My theory is that NBH has actually been getting an education, but is too shy to talk about it. It’s not just his language. He seems to be coming over to our side from what was a position of ignorant anti-evolution fundamentalism. I suspect that we may have had an influence on the lad, but perhaps that is hubris. He still needs better proo freading though. Notice the double “is” in his recent effort.

  14. foundationist says:

    “bigots are the new jews” has always been my favorite quote from your comic. Love the new variations bigotophobia and the niemoeller reference.

  15. Jon B says:

    Jesus and Mo
    Can’t let their bigotry go
    They say bigots are the new Jews
    But I say limericks are the new clerihews

  16. @Jon B. Limericks were bad enough but a clerihew is an abomination in the eyes of the lord. Please, in the name of all that is holy, don’t go infecting people with another doggerel meme. 🙂

  17. Acolyte of Sagan says:

    Darwin Harmless & WalterWalcarpit; I must say that whilst his blessed offerings may not be good poetry in a purely technical sense, the ideas conveyed in a lot of them have become increasingly well-thought out, show a sharp wit, and are often quite subtle in places.
    I agree that he seems to be a lot more rational in his thinking as opposed to the Nassar of old. It’s as if he’s climbed the fence, sat atop for a while, and is now starting to explore the landscape on our side.

    I still have a nagging doubt that he may have been winding us up from the start for his own amusement, but I sincerely hope I’m wrong.

  18. Acolyte of Sagan says:

    Jon B,
    I agree with the Harmless Darwin
    Another doggerel meme would be a sin.

    OK, I’m sorry!

  19. hotrats says:

    While racism isn’t obligatory
    Some believers still find it indicatory
    Of pious emotion
    And fervent devotion –
    Don’t attack them by calling it bigotry

  20. @Hotrats Good one. I’m just going to change your “Don’t” to “Let’s”. Scans better that way for me. 🙂

  21. @Hotrats And I must say I prefer the classic limerick form to that abomination of a clerihew. Nice that you understand the importance of poetic tradition.

  22. The limerick is the occidental haiku.

  23. Jon B says:

    @DH & AoS – The problem with posting in doggerel is it’s so wrong but it feels so right. The clerihew is truly satan’s own poetry format though and I promise not to do it again.

    Perhaps Author should add an “I am not a writer of doggerel, I swear” checkbox to the comments?

  24. MrGronk says:

    Tis a spectacle gross and not pretty
    When the pious indulge in self-pity
    To conflate moderation
    with victimisation
    Is a tactic mendacious and shitty

  25. MrGronk says:

    A question for the poetry experts: Christopher Hitchens and his university mates were much given to poems they called “The King of China” series (the main rules were that they had to be disgusting and preferably of a homosexual bent). What interests me is that the metre is innately humorous:

    I am the King of China
    And my court is full of sages
    And if I want to try some bum
    I’ll use my yellow pages

    Is there a term for the above metre? Would Nassar like to try it?

  26. Jobrag says:

    For some. clerihews
    fail to amuse
    To those hot under the bonnet
    I threaten A SONNET!

  27. HaggisForBrains says:

    The one called Jobrag
    for a bit of a gag
    threatened Shakespearean style
    just to rile!

  28. Peakcrew says:

    Hmmmm! I’m not sure about the cases being taken to the ECHR. The one about wearing crosses to work seems trivial, and I cannot see how it could have been allowed to take up valuable court time. In both cases, they are in breach of contract – specifically, the dress code of the organisations they work for (NHS and British Airways). There are good, objective reasons for not wearing things around the neck in both cases, whether they are religious symbols or not. This is absolutely nothing to do with “anti-Christian sentiment”, but adhering to the rules that apply to all employees of those organisations.

    The other two cases simply seem to be straight-forward cases of breach of contract too – the people are refusing to what they are employed to do. Personally, I think that the employers should have considered a “conscientious objector” clause, as happens in hospitals with regard to abortions, but I don’t see that any of the cases should be allowed to waste time that can better be spent on true human rights violations.

  29. hotrats says:

    Mr Gronk – excellent verse, sir!
    The King of China is an iambic tetrameter (4x da-Dah) – but the first line break masks the structure. To maintain the iambic pattern, the ‘and’ of the second line needs to move back to the end of the first line. There is a beat’s pause at the end of the second and fourth lines, which gives it a narrative zip… but structurally its the same as Amazing Grace.

  30. hotrats says:

    Sorry, Amazing Grace not the best example – Marlowe is better:
    ‘Come live with me and be my love’

  31. MrGronk says:

    Thanks for sharing, Hotrats

  32. WalterWalcarpit says:

    @NBH Now look what you have unleashed! I’ve learned more about poetic structure than I have ever cared to know. Well done mate, can’t be a better place for it.

    @Peakcrew you’ve hit the nail on the head
    But perhaps rhyming couplets would be better read?

  33. MrGronk says:

    Whining Jesus freaks:
    “We’re being persecuted!”
    No you’re bloody not

  34. hotrats says:

    From a Chuck Lorre ‘Vanity Card’ (flash frame at the end of ‘The Big Bang Theory’):
    “I do not interact with Facebook, Twitter or any of the other social networking platforms. My reasoning is simple. Why in the world would I want to share my private thoughts and feelings with the world at large? What good could possibly come from me having a convenient outlet to express myself to millions of people? The more likely outcome is that in a misguided attempt to be funny or cute, I’d say something stupid and wind up getting publicly raked over the proverbial coals. Which is why I think the wiser path is to keep my opinions to myself. For example, if I were to feel moral outrage over an organization riddled with pedophiles expressing their moral outrage over contraception, I certainly wouldn’t tweet about it.”
    read more at – no. 217 is a particular gem

  35. Acolyte of Sagan says:

    For my money, the greatest ever book of poetry has to be Spike Milligan’s ‘Book of Silly Verse’.
    “I once saw a parrot
    Eating a carrot
    While standing on it’s head.
    If I did that
    My mum would send me
    Straight upstairs to bed”.

    Genius 🙂

  36. Stephen Turner says:

    Another Spike Milligan:

    Is a very important thing
    Rope is thicker
    But string is quicker

  37. MrGronk says:

    Ah, Milligan …
    I can still recite “The Baboon who flew to the moon” in it’s entirety.
    But I will spare you that.

  38. Mahatma Coat says:

    Is no one reading my posts? @ Hotrats, that’s ‘ …my having…’. @ AoS, I bet Spike didn’t misplace apostrophes.

  39. Acolyte of Sagan says:

    Mahatma Coat (I’m sure that’s one of our regular’s sock puppet name. Damned if I can remember which one’s though. I’ll have to look at some old comments to see if I can find it), are you referring to the possessive apostrophe that differentiates ‘Milligans’ (plural of Milligan) from Milligan’s (belonging to or coming from Milligan)?

  40. Acolyte of Sagan says:

    Aaah! But I did just misplace an apostrophe by typing regular’s, which should of course have been regulars’.

  41. Mahatma Coat says:

    @AoS: I was referring to the “it’s”, which should be its.

  42. hotrats says:

    @Mahatma Coat
    You know it should be ‘my having’, I know it should be ‘my having’, but they are his words and I don’t like to dick around with direct quotes from other people.
    These days you have to be lucky to find someone who knows the difference between a gerund and the continuous present – or for that matter, a noun and a verb.

  43. anonnynonnymous says:

    It is a form of rhyme,
    seen from time to time
    but one really should eschew
    the clerihew.

    and a pox on bigotry


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