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@ IIML We are all fairly tolerant of each others belief systems around here. It would do you good to go to the beginning and read every strip and every comment. Most of us do not believe in any GOD much less yours, which is why you will get a lot of flack if you try to extol your(Allah’s) virtues on us.
@ Vishnu
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I’m a girl, so plz refer 2 me as she instead of he ” thank u
I know many of u guys, r atheists,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aCbrGqhoBc
I advice u 2 watch this video , it might answer some of ur quistions,
cheers
Good cartoon. Could it be that people who aim to make Islam their life aren’t too happy about people who don’t? After all, Islam even has a word for such people: infidels. I’ve not heard anyone who aims to make Islam their life extol the benefits of being an infidel, whereas I have heard so-called infidels claim that there are benefits to not being in the thrall of a book (and associated writings) that the author here has Mohammed’s body double claim is too blatant and desperate. One of those benefits is surely to be able to think clearly, and it is the benefit of being able to think clearly that allows one to realise that violence in the name of religion is a bad idea. Many of those who are in the thrall of the Koran don’t see this, or at least, if they do, don’t see it clearly enough to act upon. Hence we have in the world today atrocities committed in the name of Islam. If all those Moslems became atheists, I think a lot of good would ensue. Fortunately we find that in 2nd and 3rd generation Moslem families in Europe, the practice of the religion frequently gets set aside as the sense resulting from having had a scientific-based education starts to prevail and, whilst the basic good moral values that are taught by all religions endure, Moslems themselves can’t help but see the common sense that is made so clear by the author of this strip. That common sense includes the denial of those aspects of Islam that encourage the persecution of the so-called infidel and women who want to drive.
@IIML The main premise of this blog/discussion is to make fun of all religions. None of them can prove anything other than somehow a few people managed to make some other people believe in what they said. The following grows, the “church” forms a sort of sociatal structure. It continues to grow and begins to believe that it in itself is the one true belief system. This gets perpetuated through generations to what we have now. Several large sect of religions who individually believs that each is the “right” way. Wars are fought people are killed maimed tortured etc. in the names of these teachings. None of them can prove anything. All of these conversations boil down to each persons willingness to believe in a set of supposed truths. The key word being belief, which by its definition requires no real proof.
I am a good person I live a good life I treat people with respect. I do not know what will happen when I cease to breath, but I would hope that whomever I encounter will appreciate the life I have chosen to live. Imagine the feeling you will have when you die and theirs a giant pig with the limbs of a fish and eyes of a pinecone and it says to you “you have not believed in me therefor you will burn in damnation forever. You reply but I believed in Allah are you not him? Nope I am “whomever” and now you must pay.
Makes as much sense as everything else I have heard about this supposed afterlife. Once again start at the beginning and read all of the strips and all of the comments. You might be surprised. It makes as much sense as anything that we simply die with no reward whatsoever. Live good for your own sake…
@necessary evil
Could it be that people who aim to make Islam their life aren’t too happy about people who don’t?
4 me no, I actually live happily as long as I’m 100% sure of my belief,
if I’m concerned about those who don’t believe, thats because I think its kind of my duty 2 show them d truth, thats all
its true that many horrible things r happening in d name of Islam which I disagree with but again, no generalization, i.e, if one Muslim is bad that doesn’t mean Islam or Muslims r bad, not at all,
if d Islamic aspects applied in d real life as in d days of our prophet,d world would be perfect 2 live on ,
BTW, Islam is not against women ’s driving ,
@ John Moore
The main premise of this blog/discussion is to make fun of all religions.
excuse me !! isn’t there any other topic 2 laugh about but “d religions & d beloved prophets” !!!??
((Live good for your own sake))
well, who told u that if u worshipped d God , u won’t live 4 urself ???
infact, I’m living 4 myself, & d best thing I can do 2 help & satisfy myself is believing in God, from that belief I’ll love myself ,my family , d whole universe,
I ‘ll respect d other, help d orphan , poor ppl,study hard , work well, be honest, fatithful, loyal & grateful, u know 2 who ?? 2 God coz he gave me all these blessings ,& also 2 d ppl.
@ John Moore,
I’m 100 % sure that Allah exist, & we ‘ll all meet him in d hereafter,
not ur a giant pig with the limbs of a fish and eyes of a pinecone ,
@ john Moore ,
ok I ‘ll read d strips
Ms @iiml – pleased to hear that you have respect for others and share many of the same values that atheists do. Have you considered that it is possible for people to cherish these values without believing in any god? What do you think about that?
Another point – unlike Muslims, we also cherish the right of women to enjoy equal status to men in society, to have equal freedom of self-expression and access to the same educational and career opportunities, and to dress and conduct themselves as they please within normal social convention.
What do you think about that?
@ spoing
these values that u r talking about is 4 d whole world ,
all d religions r asking their followers 2 respect d other,
about d atheists who respect d others but they don’t believe in God ,
as I said before, I’m human being ,I’m not God , 2 tell u, where u r going in d after life ,
but remember God didn’t create us just like that, 2 do whatever we want,
there is a purpose 4 d creation of humans, which is believing in God, this is d main test 4 d humans,
so believing in God & obeying his laws & rules which contains being a good person is what Allah created us 4.
@ spoing
about ur second quistion,
I’m 100% with u,
in Islam there is no difference between a male & a female, but the good deeds,
that what makes 1 better than another 2 Allah, away from any gender, colour, nationality,,,etc
there is a mistaken idea about d position of women in Islam,
some ppl claim that a Muslim can’t study , can’t work, can’t choose,,which is totally wrong
A Muslim women study, work, drive, decide, vote ,& can express herself , as d man,
& about d point of dressing her self up, yes she can as long as she puts in mind d laws & rules of Islam, d same way as d man,
u might say, but she must wear Hijab (i.e. scarf ) yeah we have 2 wear it but without any force,
e,g, when I wore my Hijab, I was 15 years old , I was convinced with it, not my dad or bro have ever told me 2 wear it or not ,
& believe me I’m very happy with it , when I go abroad some ppl might look at me in a strange way but that doesn’t matter 2 me, as long I know that I ‘m obeying Allah, coz that protects me & makes me closer 2 him.
& this is freedom, 2 wear what I want,
so, a women has equal rights as any man, as long as they r both following God ’s laws
@IIML – thanks for your responses.
I’d appreciate it if you would take the time to read the following carefully, and respond only after you have done so.
I am entirely aware of the fact that not ALL muslim women are oppressed.
Also, I agree with you that it could be argued that Islam (the religion) DOES assert the equality of women to men, in just the same way that Christians argue from scripture “there is neither jew nor gentile, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus”. It all hinges on interpretation.
However, in practice, certain Muslim communities DO oppress women. Not all communities are as tolerant as yours is.
Are you aware of the extent of this oppression, and do you acknowledge that it occurs?
I have lived in several countries, including middle eastern countries, where many women experience discrimination due to their gender.
I would recommend that you read the following articles and do some further research on the subject, then come back and rejoin the discussion:
1. http://www.islamfortoday.com/ummzaid06.htm
2. http://www.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=28572
3. A book I would recommend to you is “Infidel” by Ayaan Hirsi Ali. It is a woman’s personal account of the brutality she experienced growing up as a Somali Muslim.
Hobbes
Islam Is My Life, you have a very insecure god. Well, actually so does Christianity–really the same god I suppose. “Love me or I will burn you forever!” Sounds like a lonely and neurotic god seriously in need of psychological counseling.
IIML
Pardon !!?? insecure God ???
how can he be my God, if he is insecure !!??
my God , i.e, Allah, is d only God, he is d creator of heavens & earth,
d All-knowing , All-powerful , All-mighty, he is 1 , …
@IIML – I’m trying to understand your answer to Hobbes’s question. The point Hobbes was trying to make (apologies Hobbes, if I’m mistaking you), is that your god – as you put it, IIML – demands that people believe in and love him, otherwise he will torture them for eternity. (I made the point that that is not even a little bit merciful and you didn’t answer, but I’ll leave that for the moment.)
He wants people to accept him as god.
He threatens to cause them unimaginable, endless suffering if they do not accept him as god.
If both of those things are true, how can he be a) merciful, and b) secure?
If a being is secure, it does not care what other people think about it, yet your god will torture people for ever if they do not say they love him. That means he cannot be secure and he is not merciful.
Do you understand that?
@ John Moore
The main premise of this blog/discussion is to make fun of all religions.
excuse me !! isn’t there any other topic 2 laugh about but “d religions & d beloved prophets” !!!??
Yes, IIML, there are lots of topics to laugh about. If you look around the internet you will find hundreds of websites and blogs laughing about other things, without much effort. This website is called ‘Jesus and Mo’, and its explicit purpose is to take the piss out of two of the most vile and obnoxious belief systems in the world today: christianity and islam. That’s what it’s here for – the clue is in the title.
@I_I_M_L. Thanks for the reply. Here’s the problem. In the absence of such independent evidence of worldy goodness no atheist wants to buy what you are selling.
This may come as a shock but we atheists do not look at you theists enviously thinking “gosh, how could I be as good as those people- how is such love possible on this sub-luminary sphere?”
Usually we are thinking something like “Why is it that these characters are only even noticeable when they are getting together to condemn, threaten or just outright attack?”
BTW- do not feel I am singling out Islam here- any theism will do.
When a new author tries to write a novel/short story they usually get back loads of editoral comments on their first piece saying “show, don’t tell”.
The author wants to give loads of narration but a much more effective way to communicate is to develop character through demonstrations of action.
You can see where I am going with this can’t you?
Repetitions of peity and references to a world beyond this one don’t cut it.
Be good here and now to real people who exist here and now and maybe, just maybe if you impress us, we will listen to your reasons for doing so.
This IIML is almost as much fun fun as that A Christian fellow that we thrashed to peices a few months ago…….Gotta love the followers…
@IIML: I’m 100 % sure that Allah exist[s]
Would that that were so. Doubt, or apostasy, is punishable in Islam by death (though the scripture doesn’t say who needs to carry it out, so there’s no one in non-Islamic countries to carry out the death sentence except people’s close families, and this does happen in the UK, more likely though when a woman decides to choose whom to marry, in obscene ‘honour’ killings). I have a problem understanding the meaning of the word “belief” if that in which one claims to believe says that you deserve to die should you cease to believe in it. Therefore a self-proclaimed Muslim cannot say anything other than “I’m 100 % sure that Allah exist[s]“. I would have about as much confidence in the veracity of such a statement as I would about any witness in a court who had been got at and intimidated. That’s what’s so sad about Islam in that the mere discussion of the possibility of doubt in the existence of its ‘god’ is so taboo that it isn’t possible for so-called believers to articulate anything thoughtful that they might have to say about it.
I am 99.99999999999999999999% (or thereabouts) certain that Allah doesn’t exist, but I can’t be certain because that would be daft, implying that I had a closed mind.
Troll, troll, troll…
@ Spoing,
thanx 4 d links, I’ve read them,
as I said before, I’m not with generalizations,
Muslims r humans 2, so they make mistakes ,committe crimes & sins,
so if 1 Muslim opressed his wife, that doesn’t necessary mean that prophet Mohamed (peace pe upon him) asked us 2 do so,
on d contrary, in his last words 2 d Muslims before he die, was take care of women,,,,
many ppl interpret Islam as they want, & do horrible things,
but remember in all d countries there r ppl who kill & murder,
but its because of d media, that there is a huge scope on Muslims, right ???
u may look & say oh, is this Islam, that Muslims claim 2 call it peaceful religion !!!!
@ tost in the machine,
yeah I got u wrong at first,
but I understand ur point now,
I’d like 2 clear an important point first,
yeah as I said Allah is most merciful, & he created humans 4 worshipping,
ok,about d “insecure” point,i.e, u must love God or he ‘ll burn u in d hell,
remember that Allah doesn’t need our worship, infact we need him.
he is d All-mighty, if we didn’t believe in him , that wouldn’t harm him & make him insecure, he created us in d first place & he has Angels who praise him every day & night
& if he wants , he can desroy us all & create beings who worship him without any other choice ,,
also if he wants , he can make us all believers, u , me , d whole universe,
BUT again d purpose is like a test , 2 know d believer from d disbeliever,
got me ???
@ tost in the machine
well said, I agree that there r hundreds of topics 2 laugh about,,
& apparently most of u r atheists, so
1stly, why u don’t respect those who believe in these prohpets, by trying 2 offend them by these cartoons,,
& 2ndly, why 2 bother urself 2 talk about things that u think “imaginary & doesn’t exist” ??? I wonder why ???
@ Daoloth,
I’m not here 2 make u feel impressed or shocked of me,
I’m just expressing myself & my opinion,
I’m doing my best 2 be a good person not 4 anyone but 4 Allah 1st & myself second
@ necessary evil
thers is nothing 2 feel sad about in Islam, masha’Allah, its perfect,
on d contrary, Islam answers d quistions that concerns human beings, with evidence, & proofs,,
again I’m 100% sure that Allah exists, more than I’m sure that I’m writing 2 u now,
also, I consider everything in my life possible & maybe true,
while d most certain thing is d exist of Allah ….
@ John Moore,,
I hate d use of trashing into pieces, in conern of sb,
coz we r not in war, we r civilized ppl, who talk 2 know d other,
without any winning or lost,,,
@IIML that last statement is not true because you feel like you must try to convert me/us to your way of thinking. Fortunately for us that is impossible. Try as you might we are as sure of our belief in no god whatsoever as you are of your beleif in Islam. Me must therefore agree to disagree on the subject.
@IIML. Oh but I beg leave to disagree- you ARE here to show off.
You started off by referring us infidels to a whole load of sugestions on how we should live. Any religion that is agnostic about how we should live is no religion at all. Yours is no exception.
I asked for your authority for saying these things.
You have none but for a book who’s only claim to veracity is to repeatedly say “what I tell you over and over is true”. This does not satisfy.
I asked if there are independent reasons for thinking that the pious are better than the atheists. If anything the evidence (mixed as it is) points the opposite way.
So I refer you to my initial question- why should we buy what you are selling?
More directly- what can you show us of the faithful that will make us want to be like them? Are you happier, better, kinder, cleverer as a result?
This is really just a version of something Plato pointed out long before the particular bill of goods you have been peddling was even a glimmer in the prophet’s eye:
Is something good because god wills is or does god will it because it is good? If the former- god is arbitary, if the latter, god is unnecessary.
Neither prospect makes us want to worship.
I wonder what the record is for most comments for a single strip? I am sure that this one will be ginormous after a whole month away. I can barely keep the spittle off my chin as it is….
but I understand ur point now,.
I wish that were true IIML, but you demonstrate that you don’t.
You’ve said again that allah is ‘most merciful‘. To show mercy means to avoid hurting someone when you have the opportunity to do so. As you say again, big Al will ‘burn u in d hell‘ if you don’t love him. He has the power not to hurt people, but according to you, tortures billions of people for ever. That is not merciful.
Either your god is merciful and doesn’t torture people;
Or
He tortures people, and is not merciful.
Only one of those statements can be true.
I’m glad you have conceded that he is insecure. The next step for you to try to understand is how that contributes to how immoral and ugly he seems to normal people.
(It’s also worth noting that a being who is ‘perfect‘ as you say, cannot be insecure, and cannot want anything. If it’s perfect, it cannot be improved. Again, it’s one or the other.)
why don’t you respect…
You really aren’t thinking very hard are you? Read the cartoons – their purpose is to show the flaws in religions. We don’t respect people who make such stupid choices. Who chose to believe idiotic, illogical, barbaric and immoral things. That is the point of this website.
Respect has to be earned, and believing in ugly, absurd things like islam is not a good way of earning respect.
On the other hand, what if I promise to stop offending you by criticising your religion, in return for you not offending me by believing in it? Deal?
@IIML – let’s save space and limit ourselves to just ONE point and try to debate that alone. Once we’ve resolved that, we can move on.
On the one hand, the Quran says that Allah is merciful. On the other, it says that if we do not recognize him as the one true god, we will burn in hell.
Let’s use an analogy.
If I as your parent claim to be merciful, but beat you mercilessly if you fail to recognize that I am your parent – does that or does that not contradict my claim that I am merciful?
Dear IIML, you say:
“………if I’m concerned about those who don’t believe, thats because I think its kind of my duty 2 show them d truth, thats all…”
I am concerned that you should feel concerned about me. Please don’t be. I don’t need to be told your truth. I know the truth: there is no god, not in Islam, Christianity, Judaism or any fancy religion.
@IIML. It’s sad for me (and I think for many people who believe humans should allow each other freedom to think) that a Moslem who says he or she beileves does so in regard to a religion that says one should be executed for not believing. Maybe Allah makes you believe – even sadder. I believe something if the evidence points to it being true, not because someone tells me to or makes me do so. When you say you are 100% certain of Allah’s existence, i’m afraid I can’t believe you, firstly because there isn’t, in my view, enough evidence for Allah’s existence – so your certainty must, in my view, be based on fallacies – and secondly (sadly) because you have to say that, don’t you?
A famous British author, Salman Rushdie, was sentenced to death by a powerful Moslem leader for writing a fictitious book in which doubt was expresssed about Allah’s existence. Since Rushdie’s parents were Moslems and therefore he was deemed to be one also (he had no choice in that) a Moslem leader in another country felt it was legitimate to call for other Muslims to murder him. That’s sad.
Now tell me that the Ayatollah Khomenei belonged to a sect of Islam that you don’t agree with, IIML, and I’ll tell you, no, there is only one Islam, according to Islam.
Guys,
I’m not showing off or sth,why I ‘d do that,
I’m already a Muslim, but I’m trying 2 figure out, why would sb,
Disbelieve & then regret, I ‘m trying 2 help u , otherwise I’d go &
Do sth 4 myself rather than writing 4 u , right ??
So, @ Daoloth :
2 answer ur quistion about d happier, kinder ,better person ,
is an individual matter, depending on what measurements u r talking about,
it’s a worldy matter,
but d difference between a believer & a disbeliever, is that d 1st person,
is comfortable & know what will happen after death, he knows that there
’s a watching God , coz this belief is sth I can’t explain by words, when u know that everything has a purpose u ‘ll be satisfied by Allah ’s wisdom,
e,g, when I (as a believer) lose a close person,
I ‘ll feel sad , but also at d same moment I ‘ll be satisfied that this is God ’s will, & if I ‘ll be patient Allah will reward me in d heaven by meeting that person again, & I ‘ll know that this is God ’s wisdom, & eventually we will all die one day,
But I imagine a disbeliever who lost a close person 2, he ‘ll start asking question like , why we die, why young , where he ‘ll go, what if there is a God, why me ,why my life is sad , & he ‘ll be depressed ,,,,,etc
Got me ????
Ok I know u don’t want any evidences from d afterlife ,
coz u consider it as ((imaginary)),
& u must prefer science,
& I ‘d like 2 ask u, a personal question , how old r u ??
have u ever in your whole life thought about this life ??
do u think we came from d sky or just like that ???
have u travelled abroad 2 see what happened 2 d civilization who disbelieved in God ??
do u know what happened 2 them ??? see d Pharaohs in Egypt, read their story , do u know that they disbelieved in Moses (peace be upon him), do u know why they built d Pyramids??
Coz their leader “Pharaoh”, claimed 2 his ppl that he is a God, & wanted 2 build a tall pyramids 2 see “Moses” ’s God ??(pbuh) ,
Have u read d Holy Qur’an ??? do u know that it was here more than 1400 years ago, & since then, not even 1 single word or letter have changed, ??
Do u know its full of scientific miracles, some of them have been discovered while many didn’t ???
1_Do u know in The Holy Quran states in one of its Holy verses that ( iron ) we send down from high skies , i.e, it is not formed in the ground . That what science has aleady discovered . Let’s read this short verse .
God says in the Holy Quran what means
“And We sent down iron in which there lies great force and which has many uses for mankind…. (Surat al-Hadid: 25)
Modern astronomical findings have disclosed that the metal of iron found in our world has come down from the giant stars in outer space
2_Also, Description of the sequence of embryonic stages:
“And We placed him (i.e. man) as a sperm-drop
In a firm lodging (i.e. the womb)
Then We made the sperm-drop
Into a clinging clot, and We made
The clot into a lump (of flesh),
And We made (from) the lump, bones,
And We clothed the bones with flesh;
Then We developed him into
Another creation. So blessed is
God, the Best of creators.”
(23:13,14)
In the preface of the book “The developing human“, by Dr. Keith Moore, of Canada, it is mentioned that the description of the Qur’an of the embryonic stages is astonishingly accurate!
& many other miracles, I advice u 2 look & search,
@ toast in the machine
Well, 1st of all, I’ve never said that Allah is insecure, “God forbid !!”
2ndly, again Allah is All-merciful, but u can’t compare his mercy 2 humans,
He gives u d choice & u decide, 2 believe or 2 disbelieve & each choice has a different result, punishment or reward,
U can’t disbelieve & then ask 4 mercy on d judgment day, u can ask mercy now but not when its too late, when u see d heaven & hell , u start crying & calling 4 mercy !!!!
So if that so , why some ppl would worship Allah & some don’t ,,
& then they all go 2 heaven ??? where is d justice,,
U do sins & be equal 2 those who do good deeds,
& about d second section of ur reply, which shows a great “respect” from u towards me ,
I ‘d ignore it & pretend that I didn’t read it,
Allah will defend himself , Islam & me in d hereafter,
so prepare ur answers from now,
@ spoing,
A parent is merciful 2 his children, but he beat them if they did wrong , 2 show them d right track
Coz he is concerned about them & their lives, d parent here might need d love & affection of his children,
But we can’t put that rule on God, coz we r d 1 who need his blessings, & we have d choice 2 make,,,
@ necessary evil,
any Muslim who doubts even 1%, about d exist of Allah, or become an etheist,
must be excuted, because religion is not a game , one day u want 2 be a Muslim, another day u change ur mind,
this is not acceptable, this is d rules,,
don’t feel sad about me, d only thing that makes me write here is coz I feel sad & pity about u ppl, WAKE UP,
although I’m not forcing anybody 2 convert 2 Islam, I’m just warning u,
In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
(20) Remind them, for thou art but a remembrancer,
(21) Thou art not at all a warder over them.
(22) But whoso is averse and disbelieveth,
(23) Allah will punish him with direst punishment.
(24) Lo! unto Us is their return
(25) And Ours their reckoning. (26)
Al-Ghashiya (20-26)
ok, I did what I thought I have 2 do,
but now I ‘ll leave u, coz I ‘ve already spent 2 much time here,
after a week, Ramadan will come
happy Ramadan 2 all of u, if u don’t mind,
if u want 2 contact me , here is my e-mail
rosella_princess@ yahoo.com,,
it was nice 2 talk 2 u,
& sorry if I hurted anyone of u ,
peace on u all
IIML The biggest problem here is that there are many varied sects of Islamic belief. THat in itself should show that there is a problem with the religious doctrine. When a girl in Morrocco gets raped she is stoned to death. Thanks Allah for making her such a beatiful women that a man would want to rape her. The fact that terrorist bombings in the name of Allah are not vehemently put down by the rest of the Islamic beleivers is also something so vile as to make your religion not even worthy of consideration.
I am 41 years old I have traveled half way around the world and have meet with peoples of various religious backgrounds. I have read parts of the Bible, Quran, studied Bhuddism, Wiccanism, Mysticism, Judiasm. It has only reinforced my belief that you are all wrong! I speak for everyone hear in that please stop trying to SAVE, HELP, CONVERT us. We know what we beleive as much as know what you beleive. Once again lets agree to disagree.
Please enjoy the comedy of this site and by the way buy one of the coffee cups……
Shorter John Moore: enjoy the show; tip your waitstaff!
In the name of IIRL’s god and his prophet, Muslims maim, kill, and oppress. Sounds no better or worse than any of the other major Abrahamic interpretations of god, or the followers thereof.
IIML is the perfect example of how religion can destroy one’s intellect as well as morality, since obviously she thinks killing people is perfectly OK if they change their mind about religion.
She herself thinks she’s a good moderate person and then writes monstrocities like this: “any Muslim who doubts even 1%, about d exist of Allah, or become an etheist,
must be excuted, because religion is not a game , one day u want 2 be a Muslim, another day u change ur mind,
this is not acceptable, this is d rules,,”
and then has the nerve to write “peace on u all
”
how will we ever have peace with you (or with the likes of you) when obviously you think it’s OK to kill even your own people if they leave religion???
Why aren’t there any more comics?
I realise this is probably pointless, as even if you do read this, you don’t seem to have the ability to understand, but I have a few minutes spare so…
Well, 1st of all, I’ve never said that Allah is insecure, “God forbid !!”
Yet you wrote this:
‘ok,about d “insecure” point,i.e, u must love God or he ‘ll burn u in d hell,‘
Do you understand how that does show that you agree your god is insecure? You’ve actually typed the words out: u… must… love… God… or… he ‘ll… burn… u… in… d… hell
2ndly, again Allah is All-merciful, but u can’t compare his mercy 2 humans,
He gives u d choice & u decide, 2 believe or 2 disbelieve & each choice has a different result, punishment or reward,
So you admit that allah tortures people when he has the power not to, which makes him a merciless sadist, but try to get out of it by saying that for him, the word ‘Mercy’ has a different meaning. In fact, for your god, ‘mercy’ actually means the opposite of what it means for normal people, ie, that big Al can pour molten lead down peoples’ throats for eternity, and still think of himself as a good guy instead of a sadistic maniac.
You can only call allah merciful by twisting the meaning of ‘mercy’ 180 degrees, to mean its opposite.
U can’t disbelieve & then ask 4 mercy on d judgment day,
… no, of course I can’t. Because there isn’t one.
u can ask mercy now but not when its too late, when u see d heaven & hell , u start crying & calling 4 mercy !!!!
So if that so , why some ppl would worship Allah & some don’t ,,
& then they all go 2 heaven ???
So you believe that even if someone is a good person, lives their entire life selflessly, helping others, being kind and considerate, if they don’t believe in your god, he will torture them for eternity in hell?
Do you have any idea of right and wrong, or what morality means?
where is d justice,,
U do sins & be equal 2 those who do good deeds,
So according to you, doing good things but not believing in allah means you go to hell, but doing evil things and saying you believe in allah means you go to paradise? How is that moral?
You can do as many evil things as you like, as long as you say ’sorry al, I don’t know what got into me’, and you’ll get paradise?
Your belief system sounds evil.
& about d second section of ur reply, which shows a great “respect” from u towards me ,
I ‘d ignore it & pretend that I didn’t read it,
I would guess it makes no difference either way. I’m sure you weren’t able to understand it to begin with.
Allah will defend himself , Islam & me in d hereafter,
so prepare ur answers from now,
Really, no. There is no ‘hereafter’; there is no allah; islam is just a bad dream. You die, you rot. That’s all.
@I_I_M_L
Blimey. If author does not come back soon this site is going to turn into a therapy session!
I can’t talk for others I_I_M_L but a basic problem a number of atheists have is probably one not accesible to reason.
Here it is…
ready?…
drum roll…
The world does not look like a loving and just place to us.
It just doesnt. It doesnt feel like that to us. Good people die young and in pain. Horrible people live long happy lives and die surrounded by adoring fans.
Some people want to say “do something about this now” (atheists)
Others say “Ah, but REALLY it is just and good. Just not in any way you can see. Or feel. Or detect in any way but wishful thinking”
Perhaps this is the problem- we are just talking past each other. No amount of “no…really…there really is a good guy in charge and it’ll all turn out ok for the good folk” is going to convince us.
Its not just that we don’t believe in god- we DONT CARE. Even if God exists it is blatantly obvious that God is clearly doing NOTHING in this world. Her existence or otherwise is utterly unimportant to anything morally serious.
The world obviously does not look like that to you. This is why we find it hard to find common ground.
Peace.
@I_IM_L: I have to ask- did the world always seem like that to you or did it come at a certain stage? Did anything precipitate this? Some people (unkind ones on this very site perhaps?) will tell you that you are dumb but I have met too many intelligent theists to believe that you believe what you believe because of stupidity. It is too simplistic to think that. Something makes you ready to believe in things you cannot see, and in fact contradict the things you see, and I would love to know what.
@Daoloth – sir – my guess is that IIML is a well-meaning, devout Muslim teenage girl or thereabouts. She believes what she believes not so much because of stupidity as plain old juvenile naivete. With any luck, she will grow up and become as disillusioned and cynical as the rest of us
In the meantime, I suppose we should let her enjoy her sweet girlish fantasies of a world in which Allah loves us all and treats us all fairly.
@spoing – My guess is that IIML is a poe, but then I’ve long since finished my growing up to become disillusioned and cynical…
IIML, you carefully don’t address yourself to the points I make about what a sad force Islam is in the world. It would be nice to know why you think changing your mind about something, if you think you were wrong about it, is indicative of some form of game playing rather than a sign of maturity. I’d say that saying you are 100% certain of something that I believe must be based on fallacies is the sort of thing you’d do if you were playing a game – a game of ‘let’s pretend’ as it’s known to children. Here’s something the Nobel prize-winning physicist Richard Feynman wrote about god:
“God was invented to explain mystery. God is always invented to explain those things that you do not understand. Now, when you finally discover how something works, you get some laws which you’re taking away from God; you don’t need him any more. But you need him for the other mysteries. So therefore you leave him to create the universe because we haven’t figured that out yet; you need him for understanding those things which you don’t believe the laws will explain, such as consciousness, or why you only live to a certain length of time — life and death — stuff like that. God is always associated with those things that you do not understand. Therefore I don’t think that the laws can be considered to be like God because they have been figured out.”
Feynman exclaimed delight throughout his life about the wonders of nature and had great purpose in his life from quests to unravel some of the intricate mysteries of science. He is, in my, view a brilliant example of an un-cynical undisillusioned free-thinking human being.
I’m sure you can point to many contemporary Muslims who are leaders in their field and who will perhaps help to bring about peace in the world or help solve some of the many problems confronting humanity. Who are they, by the way? I think we need to be told.
I’m impressed you guys even engaged with IIML for so long. I can’t bear reading such compressed communication, it breaks the flow of reading far too much when you have to stop and figure out what word some combination of letters and numbers is meant to be.