brilliant! LOL , this reminds me of a classic case of ‘avoiding to get wet’ Muslim ‘moderate’ school teacher with a uncanny skill to avoid a straight answer. Check it out.
Why run for office when you can get people to accept you as their unquestioned supreme religious leader? Mo was a clever little bastard in real life as well
“Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish it through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible…, and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory. …One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie…”
Ahmad ibn Naqib al-Misri, The Reliance of the Traveller, translated by Nuh Ha Mim Keller, Amana publications, 1997, section r8.2, page 745
Likewise with Tariq Ramadan: “…and when he is cornered with questions on the brutality of some punishments of Islamic law, such as stoning, he tells us that he is against them, but (there is always a “but”) they are in Quranic texts and so he cannot fully condemn them…”
We now need to define “truth.” I submit there are two kinds of truth.
1. Objective truth: A proposition for which there is ample objective evidence in support, e.g., the heliocentric nature of our solar system.
2. Subjective truth: A proposition for which there is no objective evidence in support (may even be objective evidence against), e.g., the earth-centric nature of the universe, as suggested in the “Bible.”
“Objective” defined as existing in reality (the physical world), as opposed to existing only in the mind.
“Subjective” defined as existing in the mind as opposed to existing in the physical world.
I don’t see the big deal with Taqiyya. How is it different from, ‘The truth is preferable, but if lying gets you out of a jam then lie your ass off.’ What’s wrong with that? Works for me.
well, Hypocrisy and platitudes as a way of spreading your ideas, plus hiding your true intentions when needed … all mandated by the creator of the universe…
Mo seems to be REALLY answering the question…
Oh pardon me, most muslims faced with such questions do that; they must follow their prophet’s great example!
To be a wise-ass: Wouldn’t it be the 15th century according to Mohammed’s calendar?
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September 14th, 2007 at 5:14 am
brilliant! LOL , this reminds me of a classic case of ‘avoiding to get wet’ Muslim ‘moderate’ school teacher with a uncanny skill to avoid a straight answer. Check it out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hBXHtQDxOo&feature=PlayList&p=C2259113CCA7C126&index=8
September 14th, 2007 at 5:38 am
Treble taqiyyas all round!!
September 14th, 2007 at 8:30 am
tie:
Ah, the exquisite Dance of the Seven Questions. That’s a useful skill in a politician. She should run for office.
September 14th, 2007 at 1:31 pm
Beating around the bush: Helping dickheaded parents, teachers, religious men and politicians retain their authority over millenia.
September 14th, 2007 at 7:29 pm
Why run for office when you can get people to accept you as their unquestioned supreme religious leader? Mo was a clever little bastard in real life as well
September 15th, 2007 at 3:19 am
“Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish it through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible…, and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory. …One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie…”
Ahmad ibn Naqib al-Misri, The Reliance of the Traveller, translated by Nuh Ha Mim Keller, Amana publications, 1997, section r8.2, page 745
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya
Likewise with Tariq Ramadan: “…and when he is cornered with questions on the brutality of some punishments of Islamic law, such as stoning, he tells us that he is against them, but (there is always a “but”) they are in Quranic texts and so he cannot fully condemn them…”
http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/defenseandsecurity/a/ramadantxt_2.htm
There seems to be a pattern here…
September 16th, 2007 at 5:01 am
Toast,
We now need to define “truth.” I submit there are two kinds of truth.
1. Objective truth: A proposition for which there is ample objective evidence in support, e.g., the heliocentric nature of our solar system.
2. Subjective truth: A proposition for which there is no objective evidence in support (may even be objective evidence against), e.g., the earth-centric nature of the universe, as suggested in the “Bible.”
“Objective” defined as existing in reality (the physical world), as opposed to existing only in the mind.
“Subjective” defined as existing in the mind as opposed to existing in the physical world.
The unexamined belief is not worth believing.
September 16th, 2007 at 7:38 am
I don’t see the big deal with Taqiyya. How is it different from, ‘The truth is preferable, but if lying gets you out of a jam then lie your ass off.’ What’s wrong with that? Works for me.
September 17th, 2007 at 5:06 am
well, Hypocrisy and platitudes as a way of spreading your ideas, plus hiding your true intentions when needed … all mandated by the creator of the universe…
nothing wrong with that…
September 17th, 2007 at 6:32 am
Mo seems to be REALLY answering the question…
Oh pardon me, most muslims faced with such questions do that; they must follow their prophet’s great example!
November 26th, 2007 at 4:59 am
To be a wise-ass: Wouldn’t it be the 15th century according to Mohammed’s calendar?