yeah . . . i think this free will thing is a bunch of nonsense . . . we are too limited by our own ignorance to claim such a lofty distinction from the entirety of Nature. it is however a very convenient delusion.
Actually, there is yet another major internally inconsistent claim in the Bible: Yahweh “repented” (changed his mind or regreted) that he had made man, so he sent a flood to kill them all except the 8 on the ark. The questions that come to my mind are; how can an omniscient being change his mind? Why should he be grieved as stated in Genesis 6:6? Should he have not known what man would be like?
And, then there is Jesus, in Mark 11:13, not knowing that the fig tree would have no figs (it wasn’t even the season for producing figs). Very ungodly. I bet Mo would have known when figs would be in season! Omniscience omsnichence!
The defenition of being omniscient is to have infinite knowledge or understanding.
You ask how can a all knowing god change his mind? But surely knowledge can change. And boundless knowledge does not actualy state the amount of knowlegde used. Furthermore God created man in image of him self and man makes many mistakes and changes his mind many times. If he is the image of God then perhaps God is more human than believed.
I read Life of Pi recently — a very good book about religions in general. One of the things it points out is that the story of the Fig Tree really makes Christianity unique. It’s the one religion that says that not only did their God come down as a human, but that he took on mortal form too, with all of humanity’s faults. Hinduism has Gods that take mortal form sometimes, but never one who whines or is petulant, or who dies. It made me realize for the first time that christianity isn’t about a man who was a God, but about a God who decided to be a man. I kind of think now that the story of the fig tree is at the heart of the religion.
hey, souldier, is this god of yours is omniscient, then he should have known he would change his mind and should have acted accordingly earlier not AFTER his actions.
just because one knows something, does not mean that one won’t ignore it in favour of doing something else. This goes for omniscience too… this just means one knows all, it makes no implication about what one does with that knowledge.
Rabbit: “just because one knows something, does not mean that one won’t ignore it in favour of doing something else. This goes for omniscience too… this just means one knows all, it makes no implication about what one does with that knowledge.”
That’s a good point…I suppose that just means that omniscience doesn’t keep you from being dumb.
(not that I can remember any reference to god’s intelligence…just his wrath and insecurity)
human knowledge is changed by being added to (because we don’t know everything) or by being corrected with new facts (we were wrong). God isn’t supposed to have either of these failings, so it should not gain new knowledge.
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August 19th, 2006 at 7:35 am
yeah . . . i think this free will thing is a bunch of nonsense . . . we are too limited by our own ignorance to claim such a lofty distinction from the entirety of Nature. it is however a very convenient delusion.
August 19th, 2006 at 6:20 pm
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August 23rd, 2006 at 4:56 pm
How can you believe in a god who gave man free will and then punishes him for using it?
September 6th, 2006 at 7:31 am
Actually, there is yet another major internally inconsistent claim in the Bible: Yahweh “repented” (changed his mind or regreted) that he had made man, so he sent a flood to kill them all except the 8 on the ark. The questions that come to my mind are; how can an omniscient being change his mind? Why should he be grieved as stated in Genesis 6:6? Should he have not known what man would be like?
And, then there is Jesus, in Mark 11:13, not knowing that the fig tree would have no figs (it wasn’t even the season for producing figs). Very ungodly. I bet Mo would have known when figs would be in season! Omniscience omsnichence!
January 8th, 2007 at 10:00 am
The defenition of being omniscient is to have infinite knowledge or understanding.
You ask how can a all knowing god change his mind? But surely knowledge can change. And boundless knowledge does not actualy state the amount of knowlegde used. Furthermore God created man in image of him self and man makes many mistakes and changes his mind many times. If he is the image of God then perhaps God is more human than believed.
January 24th, 2007 at 2:09 pm
I read Life of Pi recently — a very good book about religions in general. One of the things it points out is that the story of the Fig Tree really makes Christianity unique. It’s the one religion that says that not only did their God come down as a human, but that he took on mortal form too, with all of humanity’s faults. Hinduism has Gods that take mortal form sometimes, but never one who whines or is petulant, or who dies. It made me realize for the first time that christianity isn’t about a man who was a God, but about a God who decided to be a man. I kind of think now that the story of the fig tree is at the heart of the religion.
April 9th, 2007 at 12:00 am
hey, souldier, is this god of yours is omniscient, then he should have known he would change his mind and should have acted accordingly earlier not AFTER his actions.
June 1st, 2007 at 6:17 am
that’s the way with claiming to be infallible… what goes around comes around
July 13th, 2007 at 9:32 am
just because one knows something, does not mean that one won’t ignore it in favour of doing something else. This goes for omniscience too… this just means one knows all, it makes no implication about what one does with that knowledge.
September 1st, 2007 at 7:09 am
God hates Figs.
That is all.
September 3rd, 2007 at 8:14 am
Rabbit: “just because one knows something, does not mean that one won’t ignore it in favour of doing something else. This goes for omniscience too… this just means one knows all, it makes no implication about what one does with that knowledge.”
That’s a good point…I suppose that just means that omniscience doesn’t keep you from being dumb.
(not that I can remember any reference to god’s intelligence…just his wrath and insecurity)
February 29th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
human knowledge is changed by being added to (because we don’t know everything) or by being corrected with new facts (we were wrong). God isn’t supposed to have either of these failings, so it should not gain new knowledge.