Strictly speaking, they’re not married, so stick beating is probably haram.

Here’s the verse.

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Discussion (17)¬

  1. Laripu says:

    Hit the road, Mo,
    And doncha come back.
    No Mo, no Mo, no Mo, no Mo.
    Hit the road, Mo,
    And doncha come back: no Mo.

  2. DocAtheist says:

    As usual, I don’t have anything to add; I just wish, Author, that you could hear me laughing, when the punchline hits.

    Hey, maybe that’s why it’s called a “punch” line.

  3. DocAtheist says:

    Just wanted to see what icon attaches, if I use one email address rather than another. I hope this one gets the Atheist Mantis.

  4. Forteatwo says:

    Mo is a tough read. Not sure I would want to venture into the contemporary word salad of binary/non-binary gender confused trans dressing prophet. Good job Author,
    keep us guessing.

  5. Hilary Fish says:

    It’s if you “fear disobedience” she doesn’t have to actually disobey.

  6. Troubleshooter says:

    Seems to me Mo can’t decide whether to be a waif or a bitch. I suppose he could combine both and be a witch, but then Moses would have to burn him!

  7. Laripu says:

    The text itself is instructive. If you haven’t followed the link, here it is:

    “And those wives whose refractoriness ye fear, exhort them, and avoid them in beds, and beat them; but if they obey you, seek not a way against them;”

    And here I quote myself: “The virtue of a group of people is in direct proportion to the extent to which they ignore the worst parts of their religious texts.”

    What I find interesting is that there is a current trend toward highlighting and exaggerating the worst parts of many religions. That tells me it isn’t about the religions, really; it’s that cruelty has become fashionable.

    Or should that be fascionable? 😉

  8. Forteatwo says:

    Laripu, thank you for posting the quote.

    It is probably true in some cases that some people point out the fallacies of the Bible or Koran with sneery derision. However, I cannot conflate the highlighting or exaggerating the worst part of the Bible with promoting cruelty. These are statements of fact.

    Those who ignore the worst parts of the Bible or Koran and cherry pick the better half provide the foundation for a religious world view that fundamentalists use to justify hostility, sectarian bias and violence against non-believers. They are in essence, the enablers of religious fundamentalism. There is an intrinsic value in pointing out the paradox of the “good” and the “bad” in these holy books so that right thinking people will see it for what it is.

  9. hotrats says:

    Dear Author, this has to be your best yet. I pissed myself (don’t judge, I’m 66, it happens).

  10. samhuff96 says:

    Ah, Mo is into S&M.

  11. Someone says:

    All Moses has to do is trick Mo into saying Jehovah and he can stone him to his heart’s content.

  12. MR P T SEED says:

    It seems excessive to threaten Mo with a stick; the Koranic verse calls only for beating/slapping a wife whom you fear might misbehave.

  13. MR P T SEED says:

    Forteatwo, I don’t follow your reasoning. It is better that people do a good thing for a stupid reason than that they do a bad thing for a slightly less stupid reason. Even if we could magically make people give up religion, this would be far less use than making them choose good over evil, no matter how stupid their reasoning.

  14. Laripu says:

    Forteatwo, I wasn’t clear. By highlight and exaggerate I meant that believers are pushing these parts over the softer and nicer parts. For example, it seems that in the US, the religious Christian right appears to want to always rail about homosexuality and abortion. I never hear them talk about peace and love which are much more important Christian concepts.

    Using religion to punish others has become the trend. That’s why I say it’s “fascionable”.

  15. Forteatwo says:

    Laripu: I get it and misunderstood your point. Nice to see people quoting themselves.
    Mr P: My point was that people who do good things for a “stupid” reason enable the bad people by supporting a religion that condones bad stuff.

  16. postdoggerel says:

    “But Master the words are worse than the blows”. – Isaac Bashevis Singer

  17. samhuff96 says:


    But religion fills people’s truth tables with misinformation distorting reality and lead them to incorrect behavior.


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