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November 15th, 2023

According to William Dalrymple, anyway.

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  1. Anonymous says:
    November 15, 2023 at 6:39 pm

    I know that he loved cats, which is a point in his favor; please give citation for his love of dogs.

    On the other hand, Jesus was a horse thief. It’s in the New Testament.

  2. paradoctor says:
    November 15, 2023 at 6:43 pm

    My apologies for forgetting to sign my previous post.
    Horse-thief Jesus citation:
    Luke 19, 29-36

  3. Author says:
    November 15, 2023 at 6:50 pm

    I’d forgotten about the horse rustling! The citation for Mo liking dogs is up there under the title. How reliable it is is another question.

  4. Bvereshagen says:
    November 15, 2023 at 7:28 pm

    The biblical passage sounds like it is straight out of an old western movie. “Chico and Redeye…sneak into town and steal a horse!” I know they used to hang horse thieves, but the whole flogging, crown of thorns and crucifixion thing seems a bit much for a bit of horse thievery.

  5. OtterBe says:
    November 15, 2023 at 11:14 pm

    Ah, but Jesus always has Matthew 22:21 in his pocket. He told them to go untie it and bring it to him, and, if anyone asked, to tell them the Big Guy needed it. Still, seems to me that any deity worth his salt oughta be able to manifest a freakin’ pony with minimal effort rather than put his only son in the position of conspiring to commit horse rustling

  6. M27Holts says:
    November 16, 2023 at 8:26 am

    Aye. The bronze age superman , should have sent pegasus, surely?

  7. Anonymous says:
    November 16, 2023 at 8:30 am

    Regarding Mo. As all cockneys will tell you. The Kray twins were “Diamond geezers”, always bought their mother flowers…

  8. M27Holts says:
    November 16, 2023 at 10:01 am

    Ahhh. Twas me gov…

  9. Mockingbird says:
    November 17, 2023 at 9:20 am

    So the Jews also…nicked…their horses?

  10. Donn says:
    November 18, 2023 at 12:05 am

    Oh not again, don’t start. Some guys here are very sensitive about that.

  11. postdoggerel says:
    November 18, 2023 at 11:20 pm

    Donn, not just at the Cock and Bull. At the Guardian a sad fate, in the name of barring hate, did not end well, and truth to tell, befell Steve Bell. What the bloody hell.

  12. M27Holts says:
    November 19, 2023 at 10:39 am

    Aye. When truth is stifled and villified as “hate” the world predicted by George Orwell is not far away at all…Lets face it, we’d all be fooked for thought crime…

  13. Oracles says:
    November 19, 2023 at 2:46 pm

    Of course I like dogs! They taste like chicken.

  14. Donn says:
    November 20, 2023 at 9:09 pm

    Ah well, Steve Bell. The Guardian’s action was totally unjust, but … I hope that wasn’t representative of his work. If I had seen, and remembered, the other cartoon from half a century ago, it would still only half make sense.

  15. Donn says:
    November 20, 2023 at 9:51 pm

    That is to say, freedom of speech is not equally granted to all, no matter how incoherent. If you allow that there can be reasonable boundaries to that freedom, then those can and do express themselves clearly, will enjoy that freedom to a greater degree than those who don’t. In a position like political cartoonist, clarity of expression is vital, and while it may be somewhat shameful for the employer to fire one for impolitic speech, one could look at it as a matter of professional skill deficiency.

  16. M27Holts says:
    November 20, 2023 at 10:05 pm

    I liked some of his cartoons and disliked others to a varying degree. But if you want to find offence and actually complain… such persons wake up in the morning looking for things to complain about…grumpy old sods of both sexes most likely…they are happiest at finding things to complain about…Victor Meldrew is the stereotype here…

  17. M27Holts says:
    November 20, 2023 at 10:10 pm

    I was watching a historical programme yesterday. And a Spanish lady who was a professor at Oxford said in describing 15th century England…”It was a Catholic country and as we know Catholic countries didn’t kill children”! I rest my case m’lud…

  18. jb says:
    November 21, 2023 at 2:59 pm

    I had to look up the Steve Bell/Netanyahu thing — it didn’t hit the news on this side of the pond. What disturbs me is that Bell was fired for an unpublished cartoon. The Guardian is well within its rights not to publish a cartoon it believed its readers would find offensive, but firing someone for an image that never saw the light of day looks like punishment for a thoughtcrime.

    Although after a little more research, it looks like the cartoon has seen the light of day after all, so I guess you can make your own judgments. For reference, here is the 1966 David Levine cartoon it references.

  19. Donn says:
    November 22, 2023 at 1:34 pm

    It does seem that the scriptures aren’t as hostile to dogs as I thought, that must be an incidental cultural thing.

    And camels. From the wikipedia link with the cartoon:

    Al Qaswa (Arabic: ٱلْقَصْوَاء) was a female Arabian camel that belonged to Muhammad, and was dear to him.

    Reminds me of the story. “… We use the camel to ride into town.”

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