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Reminds me of something an American politician said when told that something was factually wrong. Paraphrasing he responded: It’s something my constituents believe, and that is also a fact. I’m not going to argue with them.
Hey, if ignorance serves their purpose, why disabuse the believer?
The truth is different for everyone. No surprise that when you gather a crowd of like-minded individuals, the hive mentality kicks in and opposite opinion becomes firmly a lie, and their truths the only (you might say bible) truths.
Gullible idiots are of course the easiest to point out but there are factions aplenty across the board, whether the individual admits to being part of one or not.
Oh yeah that is a well-documented problem. These propaganda lies have spread into many western media of their time.
After the Arab Revolt (1936), put down by the British, several of their leaders fled to Nazi Germany, were indoctrinated (the protocols as part of the info package) and returned to their native countries after WW2.
It needed not much effort to paint the already unpopular Jewish immigrants as an evil plague, causing a spiral of violence and hatred and war.
Conspiracy theories are like memes: even for those who intellectually know they’re BS, they are hard to put aside and easy to repeat and act on.
You can all have a chuckle at my expense… All because my solicitor didn’t do her job and made an assumption. I had to swear by almighty god with hand on bible to fulfil a legal requirement regarding my mothers last will and testament…I did so only because otherwise, I would have had to have the paperwork re-done and delay the oath till after xmas and incur more legal costs…fookin lawers…
M27Holts, you don’t need me to tell you, but I think you’re blameless for acceding to that kind of ritual of convenience. No chuckles here. My condolences on your mother’s death.
In the 1980s I had to testify in court in Ottawa, because I had witnessed a car accident. When they came with the bible for me to swear on, I said “It’s not appropriate for me to swear on any book of religion.” The judge had to look up the procedure, and it took him about 60 seconds, but there was a substitute. I had to “affirm” that I was telling the truth. The defendent didn’t show up to court, and lost.
In your situation, I would have done the same as you.
Blaming everything on Jews has a long tradition. Jews were blamed for the bubonic plague, many unexplained deaths of Christian children (look up blood libel), the spread of AIDS, and of course the 9/11 plane terror atracks. Two thousand years of blame.
I fully expect that when Donald Trump is impeached by the House of Representatives and convicted by the Senate, that he and/or his supporters will blame Jews, despite the fact that his son-in-law Jared and daughter Ivanka are Jewish. It will be interesting to then see which way Ivanka turns.
Trump himself may fly to Montenegro, close enough in language to Slovenia, and with no extradition treaty with the US.
Aye. I got well oiled on the 21st. Ten pints of good english ale after a tripple gluhwein with schnapps then finished off with a mega strong Begium ale. With a chicken tikka plus donner kebab with hot chillie sauce on a nan bread….Top session ending nosh…Merry Solstice!
M27Holts: Sounds like around 28 units. A week’s “allowance” in one session!*
*For residents of other lands, UK recommendations are based on units of 10 grams pure alcohol equivalent, ie about 1/2 pint of beer at ~ 4% abv or one 25ml measure of spirits ~ 40% abv.
M27 Holts and I are both frequently over the recommendations even when not celebrating a special occasion. (But not together! We are only acquainted virtually, through the old C&B.)
Aye. I’m a classic binge drinker. I am currently sipping tap water waiting for a traditional three days of drinking. 24-26th december….and eating high calorie food such as pork pie..If you haven’t tasted a donner kebab or a donner calzone or a melton Mowbray pork pie you definately need to add these three foods to your bucket list…
Have a nice Christmas, M27Holts. And the same to Author and all visitors to the old C&B pub. As a vegan, I shall ignore the recommendations of pork pies, donner kebabs and donner calzones, although I do love chip shop style chips (“french fries” to our lesser brethren).
I wore a string of battery powered mini-Christmas lights around my neck and in my hair as I drove to Christmas dinner with friends. For once I was hoping I would get stopped in a police road check just so I could say to the cop, “I guess you think I’m really lit, eh officer.” Being cold sober I figured I could get away with it.
Didn’t dare try it on my way home. No point in being too visible.
Merry Christmas, mates. Or happy Boxing Day to those on the other side of the date line.
I am a little envious of your drinking stories:
for 7 weeks I am on a strict limit of 1 beer per day.
It is only a minor nusance though.
I needed emergency caroteed surgery, and then everything else suddenly becomes minor.
I am happy to report to be recovering quite well, and hardly need any pain medication anymore (just some paracetamol, and less than allowed).
So, I reserve my drinks for later, but I fully plan to make up later!
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i’ll have an extra serving of confirmation bias, please. thank you.
The Anointed think that way. See Fatheadmovie.com — The Anointed And Free Speech, Parts 1-6
the president of the united states and 30% of Americans (his followers) also think that way…. strange days indeed.
Happy – strange days? I think you mean ‘same as the old days’
DC you are correct sir…. very Nixonian if you ask me. I was just quoting John Lennon, another foe of Nixon’s.
Reminds me of something an American politician said when told that something was factually wrong. Paraphrasing he responded: It’s something my constituents believe, and that is also a fact. I’m not going to argue with them.
Hey, if ignorance serves their purpose, why disabuse the believer?
Facts are inconvenient things. How much easier it is to ignore them when you have the power to do so.
Is that the book which has jewish men drinking the blood of gentile babies? Count Dracula turns up in many disguises.
The truth is different for everyone. No surprise that when you gather a crowd of like-minded individuals, the hive mentality kicks in and opposite opinion becomes firmly a lie, and their truths the only (you might say bible) truths.
Gullible idiots are of course the easiest to point out but there are factions aplenty across the board, whether the individual admits to being part of one or not.
Oh yeah that is a well-documented problem. These propaganda lies have spread into many western media of their time.
After the Arab Revolt (1936), put down by the British, several of their leaders fled to Nazi Germany, were indoctrinated (the protocols as part of the info package) and returned to their native countries after WW2.
It needed not much effort to paint the already unpopular Jewish immigrants as an evil plague, causing a spiral of violence and hatred and war.
Conspiracy theories are like memes: even for those who intellectually know they’re BS, they are hard to put aside and easy to repeat and act on.
I always laugh when I hear the oxymoron “The Gospel Truth”…
You can all have a chuckle at my expense… All because my solicitor didn’t do her job and made an assumption. I had to swear by almighty god with hand on bible to fulfil a legal requirement regarding my mothers last will and testament…I did so only because otherwise, I would have had to have the paperwork re-done and delay the oath till after xmas and incur more legal costs…fookin lawers…
M27Holts, you don’t need me to tell you, but I think you’re blameless for acceding to that kind of ritual of convenience. No chuckles here. My condolences on your mother’s death.
In the 1980s I had to testify in court in Ottawa, because I had witnessed a car accident. When they came with the bible for me to swear on, I said “It’s not appropriate for me to swear on any book of religion.” The judge had to look up the procedure, and it took him about 60 seconds, but there was a substitute. I had to “affirm” that I was telling the truth. The defendent didn’t show up to court, and lost.
In your situation, I would have done the same as you.
Blaming everything on Jews has a long tradition. Jews were blamed for the bubonic plague, many unexplained deaths of Christian children (look up blood libel), the spread of AIDS, and of course the 9/11 plane terror atracks. Two thousand years of blame.
I fully expect that when Donald Trump is impeached by the House of Representatives and convicted by the Senate, that he and/or his supporters will blame Jews, despite the fact that his son-in-law Jared and daughter Ivanka are Jewish. It will be interesting to then see which way Ivanka turns.
Trump himself may fly to Montenegro, close enough in language to Slovenia, and with no extradition treaty with the US.
Aye… Also a lot of women both young and old were persecuted using the Malleus Maleficarum….Another fabricated book used to fuel the witch hunt…
9-11? Aids? you spend too much time in the sketchier parts of the interwebs my friend.
A little late – but Merry Solstice to all my friends at the Cock and Bull
Aye. I got well oiled on the 21st. Ten pints of good english ale after a tripple gluhwein with schnapps then finished off with a mega strong Begium ale. With a chicken tikka plus donner kebab with hot chillie sauce on a nan bread….Top session ending nosh…Merry Solstice!
M27Holts: Sounds like around 28 units. A week’s “allowance” in one session!*
*For residents of other lands, UK recommendations are based on units of 10 grams pure alcohol equivalent, ie about 1/2 pint of beer at ~ 4% abv or one 25ml measure of spirits ~ 40% abv.
M27 Holts and I are both frequently over the recommendations even when not celebrating a special occasion. (But not together! We are only acquainted virtually, through the old C&B.)
Aye. I’m a classic binge drinker. I am currently sipping tap water waiting for a traditional three days of drinking. 24-26th december….and eating high calorie food such as pork pie..If you haven’t tasted a donner kebab or a donner calzone or a melton Mowbray pork pie you definately need to add these three foods to your bucket list…
Have a nice Christmas, M27Holts. And the same to Author and all visitors to the old C&B pub. As a vegan, I shall ignore the recommendations of pork pies, donner kebabs and donner calzones, although I do love chip shop style chips (“french fries” to our lesser brethren).
“Lesser brethren”, Son of Glenner, really?
I’ll be having a “Jewish Christmas” tonight. That means going to a Chinese restaurant. See this: https://www.citylab.com/life/2018/12/chinese-food-restaurants-jewish-christmas-tradition/577747/
Merry Crispness.
I am well hammered. And just had a chillie chicken tikka massala….the king of curries…..
Since I’m not driving this yule, I’ll enjoy a few strong ones. I just hope nobody makes me designated driver any time soon.
I wore a string of battery powered mini-Christmas lights around my neck and in my hair as I drove to Christmas dinner with friends. For once I was hoping I would get stopped in a police road check just so I could say to the cop, “I guess you think I’m really lit, eh officer.” Being cold sober I figured I could get away with it.
Didn’t dare try it on my way home. No point in being too visible.
Merry Christmas, mates. Or happy Boxing Day to those on the other side of the date line.
Gut Yul to all!
I am a little envious of your drinking stories:
for 7 weeks I am on a strict limit of 1 beer per day.
It is only a minor nusance though.
I needed emergency caroteed surgery, and then everything else suddenly becomes minor.
I am happy to report to be recovering quite well, and hardly need any pain medication anymore (just some paracetamol, and less than allowed).
So, I reserve my drinks for later, but I fully plan to make up later!