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September 3rd, 2025
More on the UK’s prospective Islamophobic hate crime law (it’s been delayed)
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August 3, 2022-
- NICE T-SHIRT (Thank you for not provoking my uncontrollable lust). Currently unavailable.
“Infidelophobia” is a new one for me, but I identify.
Graham Linehan just arrived at Heathrow, and the cash Strapped Metropolitan Police had 5 armed to the teeth waiting to arrest him as a dangerous Terrorist or serious Felon…his crime? He tweeted that a geezer in a dress and frilly knickers trying to use a female toilet should be kicked in his hairy bollox. A bit tongue in cheek me thinks? No the Law suggests he is a dangerous anti trans activist who is fermenting violent dissorder! The law in Britain has gone stark fookin mad. He is suing them of course, K hope he gets 10 million and the chief constable gets his cards…
M27Holts: Are you sure this is the best place to come out as an ignorant transphobe?
Hotrats: if the term transphobe means not clinically insane then yes this seems like a pretty good place.
Putting on frilly knickers and wearing a dress does not magically transform your hairy body into.that of a svelte hollywood actress. Anymore than saying a few mumbo jumbo words transforms the wine into human blood…
I can sort of sympathize, coming up with an actionable definition of “islamophobia” has to be an awful job.
If it were really about religion, it would be bad enough, but it really isn’t so much, is it? As usual, religion serves here as a surrogate for society, and in this case societies with a lot going against them from a western perspective. But here they are, maybe making a good effort to adjust and integrate, maybe not, but of course they can’t just swap religions. So they’ve got the religion hanging around their neck, and occasionally radicalizing some of them so you can’t really let the religion off the hook either. What a mess.
hotrats: Are you sure this is the best place to come out as malevolent misogynist?
(You cannot possibly be ignorant of the harm that men in women’s spaces do, so I cannot call you ignorant, alas.)
Arresting Graham Linehan for telling girls to punch a voyeuristic, exhitibionistic male in, e.g. the women’s changing room, in the balls is to admit that women defending themselves is now illegal in Britain.
Only a misogynist could approve of that.
If that’s what he actually said. The text a couple posts above is verbatim, from a newspaper account anyway, of his post that he displayed as one of the posts in question.
I think promoting violence should not be encouraged.
“Infidelophobia”. That’s what’s needed. Well done, Author.
What’s gone wrong with Britain that you can’t even incite physical violence against transsexuals without being arrested?
These days, you get arrested and thrown in jail if you say you’re English, don’t you?
It’s Health and Safety Gone Mad.
Ah, Arbeyu, a female comedian said that a certain contraversial MP should be doused in petrol and burned alive…no arrest? Why not?
Trump should be ahead of that MP in the queue!
The whole gender nonsense is a right mess , I want to identify as an ornanental book-case, but I reckon I might fail on fundamental book-case parameters, like not being able to hold many books and getting bored and dropping the books on the floor….ITS JUST NOT FAIR!!!
The funniest part of the Lineham debate is that Farage used it to say the UK had become N Korea. Yet he was in the US where having this cartoon on your phone would probably get you sent home. I fear everyone missing the point on the trans issue. If anyone is threatening someone else, or is using a facility for anything other than it’s intended purpose, then they should be stopped.
I have long been convinced that I am of royal blood and undoubtedly have a regal bearing. Sadly when I insist on being addressed as ‘Your Majesty’ I find little cooperation. I am deeply and irrevocably wounded.
Choirboy:
OF COURSE you are! (as is everybody else.
Simple arithmatic:
Take for instance Charlemagne (aka Karl I of the Franks, or Karel de Grote) who was crowned Emperor on Xmas Eve 800 CE).
He lived about 40-45 generations ago.
There is also the chance of 2^n to 2^45 in 1 that you are of has blood. Making a royal estimate of world population at that time of 1 billion (way TOO royal) that makes him at least 10^30 TIMES your parent!
Oh-so hilarious humour about wanting to self-identify as furniture or royalty aside, if a man invades a woman-only space, then that’s a problem. It would be an aggressive act.
But what about a person who, while born biologically male, has undergone full gender reassignment? Where do they belong? Does anyone really think that someone would go through all that just so they could invade women-only spaces? For what purpose? Get real.
The bigots amongst us – and I use that word in the dictionary meaning of it – will insist that this person is a man. That person, they insist, does not and cannot belong in women-only spaces. They make “jokes” about wanting to self-identify as inanimate objects – trivialising the plight of trans people.
Well, I have a rule about bigots: Fuck ’em – they’re bigots. We’d never make any progress if we let the bigots have their way.
If you’re a woman, or gay, or have a disability, or are of an ethnic minority, or don’t have a religion, or don’t have the “right” religion, or are neuro-diverse, or are in any way a minority that gets shat upon by bigoted bullies, then the rights and protection under the law that you enjoy have come about because society said “fuck the bigots”.
And maybe it takes a bit of over-zealous application of the law to make the bigots think that they should keep their bigoted mouths shut.
Bigot: A person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic towards a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.
arbeyu: Linehan did not “incite violence against trans people” – he merely advised girls on what to do if there was a male in their female space where they should have privacy and be safe from male perverts.
If you claim he is inciting “violence against trans people” you are basically saying that sexually harrassing women and girls is a thing trans people do.
Sounds rather transphobic, doesn’t it?
Aren’t there hundreds of trans identified males who are decent people and therefore *stay out of women’s spaces* seeing as those spaces are segregated by sex, not gender?
Seems not. My mistake.
rose: Try reading what Linehan was reported to have actually said – Donn Cave was kind enough to post the text of it. Linehan specifically referenced “trans-identified male(s)”…
He wasn’t saying “if there’s a man in your women-only space…” – he wasn’t even saying “if there’s a transexual in your women-only space who is behaving inappropriately or aggressively…” He was saying “if there’s a transsexual in your women-only space…”
You write that I am “basically saying that sexually harassing women and girls is a thing trans people do”… Huh? Genuinely, huh??? Where did you get that from? What sort of muddled “reasoning” in what we’ll call your mind let you come to that conclusion?
I not going to engage with you further. No offense, but if that’s your level of comprehension, then there seems little point engaging you in rational debate.
“Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it.”
Bedides, those with surgically created vulvas can’t be kicked in the nuts can they? And how unfortunately it may be, yes even if you have have had female transformation surgery, your XY chromasomes are not magically converted to XX and you have to be treated as a man medically…unfortunately a factual state of affairs. It’s not being a bigot it’s being a realist…
Somewhat off on a tangent, but true to the main discourse I think:
Iranian Muslims are now using AI to get answers to religious questions, bypassing Shia scholars. So ayatollahs are now debating whether AI can substitute for religious scholars. Surprisingly, they agree that seeking guidance from LLMs is permitted under certain conditions.
https://x.com/timurkuran/status/1963431679248199746
Now, how many angels* can dance on the tip of a transister chip? (Or half a million) God knows?
* Male angels, of course. And strictly straight only. No semis.
Iran out of jokes, imama sorry.
Arbeyu, obviously the ‘oh-so hilarious humour about furniture and royalty’ is confirmed in your first statement about aggressive acts. They are simply pointing out the difficulty of accepting self-identification as a reason to accept the rights of a cis bloke in a dress to use a women’s lavatory.
To misinterpret that, deliberately or not is to demonstrate an inability to read and think straight of which you so high handedly accuse others.
The ‘jokes’ which you are driven to rail about in your intelligent and charming way were clearly not about ‘genuinely trans people’ but about simply accepting, ‘I am a woman because I say so – let me into the ladies’ as reasonable.
Throwing around accusations of bigotry based a total misreading of a simple analogy while claiming some sort of superiority, and unwillingness to engage with someone clearly beneath your superior intellect rings pretty hollow and invites the invocation of ‘moot and beam’.
Who said “cis bloke in a dress”? M27Holts said something like that, but Linehan said something different, and he’s the one who was apprehended at the airport.
He’s also the professional comic who claimed to be making a point by way of a joke, which I’d say suggests his comedy skills have fallen well below average amateur.
Oy. Father Ted is genius, I have watched it all the way through four or five times. He has made a mistake for daring to declare the Emperor is stark bollock naked and clearly a geezer in a women only space pretending to be a lady for probably voyueiristic reasons…
Anyway. I want bacon-butty phobic and ra-ra-skirt phobic laws to be installed into statute law as well…
M27Holts: On the balance of comments, you seem to have lost the argument, and claiming that a man would identify as female to practice voyeurism in a women’s lavatory is scraping the barrel. Women don’t undress in public toilets; there is nothing there to satisfy a voyeur.
A ‘trans- identified male’ who can be punched in the balls’ is pretty close to a ‘cis bloke in a dress’ as far as I can see.
Not sure if an argument is lostbor won. Lots of men put on womens clothing for a mild harmless thrill most in private or with a partner, cosplay is different from putting on a dress and knickers to gain access to a female only area. I am merely suggesting that for a lot of voyeurs the thrill of being in the female space is reason enough for doing it…
Anyway, back to the strip…the government would have to implement the following law…it would become illegal to do any of the following within 1 mile of a Mosque or Muslim individual.
1. Eat Bacon Butties.
2. Show your legs arms, face or hair (XX chromes only)
3. Play or listen to Metal ,rock or pop music.
4. Drive a car (XX chromes only)
5. Read Jesus and Mo.
6. Claim Mo was Paedophile
7. Be allowed to Vote (XX chromes only)
8. Drink Alcohol , Tea, coffee
9. Go to school (XX chromes only)
9. Gamble
10. Kiss or fondle your partner
11. Have relations with same sex
12. Have extra marital relations.
Any more I have forgotten?
Draw a picture of a person.
choirboy “They are simply pointing out the difficulty of accepting self-identification as a reason to accept the rights of a cis bloke in a dress to use a women’s lavatory.”
Is that all they’re doing? Really? I’m not so sure. I’ve heard the same type of mockery time and again when the subject is that of genuine, transitioned trans people who wish to be identified as their transitioned gender.
If nothing else, it directs attention away from and trivialises very real issues facing trans people. It contributes to a narrative where trans rights are dismissed as inherently ridiculous. At worst, it normalises and legitimises more aggressively bigoted behaviour.
Are there men who would put on a dress, pretend to identify as female, and invade a women-only space as an aggressive act? I’m sure there are – we’re a pretty messed up gender. We need laws against that kind of behaviour – and we have them.
But in the context of Linehan, it’s pretty clear that he isn’t speaking about that kind of man. He’s on record as being dismissive of trans people identifying as their transitioned gender. He’s said some pretty horrendous things about those supporting trans rights, for example calling David Tennant an “abusive groomer” for wearing a tee-shirt saying “Leave Trans Kids Alone You Absolute Freaks”. He’s currently on trial for alleged abusive behaviour towards a young trans activist.
Arbeyu, it’s all bollocks now, one of my besties is a maths professor and he gets so pissed off when he hears one of his students dismissing a mathematical truth as false since maths, like everything is SUBJECTIVE…Like I said if I was to ask you to accept that I am a slug you would laugh your clouts off. You can identify yourself as anything you like….but don’t expect anybody else to go along with your self delusion. It’s the same with religion, don’t expect respect for your mental illness…
What I have to wonder about is, why do people freak out so hard about it? I mean, I find it a little creepy myself, to be honest, I’m not saying you have to like it. Or maybe you do if you’re young, but I’m old so I’m exempt. But the politics around it seem to have hooked into some raw panic inside people.
I can think of a couple of reasons why people might “freak out so hard” about transgenderism:
1) People don’t like being fooled. In particular, a lot of men would be absolutely devastated to find out they had been fooled into having a relationship with a man. (And yes, that does happen!)
2) Whether you think it’s reasonable or not, a lot of women really dislike the idea of sharing private spaces with men, even if they’ve modified their appearance so they look like women.
3) People are freaked out by severe mental disorders. And if a man feeling compelled to have himself castrated and pumped full of hormones so that he can pass as a woman doesn’t count as a mental disorder, it’s hard to think what would.
4) People worry about their children. There has been a huge uptick in young girls identifying as boys and wanting to transition, and it’s hard to see this as anything other than social contagion. Nobody ever claims that anorexics are “born that way”, but transgender activists use that argument to try to convince vulnerable girls that the road to happiness is do even worse things to their bodies.
That said, it’s hard to know what to do with a man who has engaged in such extreme body modification that he is indistinguishable from a women. Sending him into the men’s locker room would be weird for the normal guys, and possibly dangerous for him. And what do you do with the real freaks, the “shemales”, the ones who transition partway and revel in freaking you out?
I don’t know. Some things I am hard core about though are: whatever accommodations you make with such people, we should never agree that they have truly changed sex; they should never be allow to falsify official documents to make it appear that they have always been what they seek to be now; and we should never let ourselves be coerced into celebrating their illness.
JB exactly- and there is nothing in that which can hysterically be identified as bigotry.
Aye. Lady boys , appear to.be rocket fit rampant totty but have a nasty suprise waiting for you down below! What’s the point?
Arbeyu, that’s nothing but a crafty conflation to give vent to more hysteria about bigotry. Just because you’re ’not so sure’ and it reminds you of something else you’ve heard doesn’t give you the right to impose a meaning of your choice which is irrelevant to the actual statement, which was clearly about nothing else but self-identification.
I knew nothing about the Linehan case.
another scenario. A person is murdered/raped or a cold case. And having had a conviction for drink driving Susan has her DNA taken and that DNA is a direct match of a DNA sample taken from the deceased body. Susan’s lawer states that the DNA is for a man who commited the murder. Susan is now a woman with a vulva and breasts etc, thus the Police bigots cannot possibly charge susan with a crime that was commited by a man….in Arbeyu’s world, Susan walks free….
jb – that looks more like what people freak out about, than why.
To me it looks a little like a phenomenon that we see with religion that teaches that humans are by nature depraved, and if we pull loose from the anchor of the priests’ morality there’s nothing to save us.
What if humans really aren’t naturally depraved, and left alone by the priests we’d do just fine? That wouldn’t do, because it lets the air out of the moral panic that our leaders can use to corral us.
Likewise, what if humans’ natural sexuality were really pretty robust and healthy? Maybe the right-wingers’ stories about transsexual activists recruiting children would still be taken seriously, but more in the “let’s look into that” vein than “to the barricades!” But despite media saturation of human sexuality, or maybe more because of it, we really see sexuality in humans as kind of frail and easily perverted, am I right?
jb: “Whether you think it’s reasonable or not, a lot of women really dislike the idea of sharing private spaces with men, even if they’ve modified their appearance so they look like women.”
Most of them don’t look like women. They’re just men walking into women’s spaces and demanding that we let them, and there have been introduced new laws to force women to let them.
Trans identified males who actually look like women would not need any such laws – no one would think to kick them out of women’s spaces (other than women’s prisons and women’s shelters, if the world were sane and didn’t allow the forging of birth certificates and passports).
Not before they showed women their penis, started filming, or did any of the things that men are known to do in women’s intimate spaces, which is why they aren’t allowed there.
The laws forcing women to accept males in our spaces are made mostly for the benefit of men who are obviously men. Like that male neonazi in Germany, who would be in a women’s prison if he hadn’t decided to run away instead.
The guy has a moustache (as had a man who forced his entry into the women’s changing rooms at a public pool in Zurich, iirc). No one would ever mistake him for a woman.
Speaking of prisons, there are now dozens of cases of trans identified males going to women’s prisons and, surprise, surprise, raping the female prisoners there.
The exact reason why women’s rights activists fought for sex-segregated prisons.
Yes, men are enabled to rape by this whole trans shit.
And that is why people “freak out about it”.
If it were just men wearing dresses, they wouldn’t need all those laws, and no one would care.
I guess Donn Cave must live in a cave to not have noticed how trans activism erodes women’s rights and enables voyeurism, exhibitionism, and rape. (The first two of those happens every single time a male uses a women’s changing room. )
“that looks more like what people freak out about, than why.”
???
People tend to freak out over the prospect of bad things happening, and the worse the things the harder they freak out. Many (if not most) people would consider at least 1 and (especially) 4 on my list to be extremely bad things. Do you really need me to explain why? I mean if you don’t think so then fine, but you should acknowledge that you are an outlier.
I actually do think that humans are (to a degree) naturally depraved, and that the priests can be (moderately) helpful, despite their religions being false. (Many cultures do fine without a moralistic god though; the culture itself is what matters. Religion is just part of the culture). And I don’t think natural human sexuality is all that robust; otherwise where do all the paraphilias come from? No one is born a shoe fetisher, that’s acquired somehow, and probably in childhood. So I do think children need to be protected.
Finally, “let’s look into that” is a good starting point, but if we then determine that “OMG it’s actually happening!” it seems to me that “to the barricades” is a reasonable next step.
Recent history would suggest that priests’ connection with depravity is as likely to be in the role of participants as alleviators.
Well, maybe it’s a question of faith, but I say it’s better to say the priests are lying. Human nature is a little fragile but basically good. I think we can see it around us, and the unhealthy stuff is just that – something like a nutritional deficiency, that if we understood it better and had the power, we could improve a lot.
And sex the same. You guys can take sides and duke it out, but the real win will be 1) knowing how to recognize what’s really healthy, however either side feels about it, and 2) nourishing the healthy impulses instead of laboring along in culture war mode. It’s the only way we can win.
(When I say “really healthy”, I don’t mean to propose that there’s a single ideal form that fits one and all, more like a sensible way to cope with variation.)
This is the best discussion for ages. Thanks all . And all you have to do is go to the theatre for a Rocky Horror show and see lots of men if short frilly skirts and tights nipping in to the gents to know that men in the UK always like dressing up in skirts. And yes I am gay and no I don’t dress up in skirts and have curiously never defined myself by my sexuality… its just part of me. And yes, I accept whatever pronoun is thrown at me. And adjective come to that, though a don’t hear “Handsome, So young” very often these days except when its applied to my dog… Oh well…
Ah well, in Scotland the geezers wear tartan ra-ra skirts and have to go commando!
a male swordfish wanted to frolic
in the loo with some female pollocks
his impressive proboscis
a nasal collosus
kept their eyes off his immodest bollocks
Artistic licence? Fish don’t have bollocks, bu I suppose you would find it hard to get a mammal to rhyme your limerick…🤣
M27, so where do they find fish balls for fish ball soup? Look no further than that area named for the distance between Trump and RFK Jr. It’s called the perineum.
@hotrats. Unfortunately, this does seem to be the place to come out as an ignorant transphobe.
Returning here after a sabbatical, I realise that I am in a minority…
I do not think that transsexuals are mentally ill. I know enough to know that it wasn’t that long ago that the same was said of homosexuals. I don’t find trans people “creepy”. I do consider a fully-trans person to be their transitioned gender. I don’t believe the hysterical propaganda that casts them as dangerous predators. I do not take as typical of trans people the tiny number of dangerous men who try to use trans-rights legislation to evade justice or to give them access to vulnerable women. When I hear talk of “protecting the children “, my mind is drawn to the hysteria of Section 28. I am old enough to have gone through that particular homophobic shit. I’d hoped we’d advanced from those dark days.
I am saddened that this place of supposed enlightenment that I see such unreconstructed sentiments.