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Special thanks to today’s guest script-writer, Professor Greg Craven, Vice-Chancellor of the Australian Catholic University




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  1. Occam's Machete says:

    I love the idea of these super-holy characters getting all sweary and oh-so-human.

    Brilliant strip as always.

    PS Fuck religion!

  2. robinson says:

    Gah, now forevermore, at least in my head, Mo will speak in an Australian accent…….

  3. David B says:

    Another good one:)

    I do hope someone shows it to Craven. I’d like to be a fly on the wall to see his reaction, if he reads it.

    David B

  4. Poor Richard says:

    Such a slander! We don’t hate anyone; in fact, we LOVE fuzzy-minded little critters who build their lives on silliness and superstition. Naivete is so cute, even when it gets violent, like our friends here. It’s just that, when the chipmunks blow themselves up under the house, it gets a little irritating. But who could hate a chipmunk?

    As Poor Richard says, “Beware chipmunks with bulging cheeks.”

    (There are chipmunks outside my window as I type. Now I expect to see ten comments about the theology of chipmunks. We wound up with Elvis last time.)

  5. kiyaroru says:

    PoorRichard

    Can those chipmunks outside your window see what you’re typing?
    You really should be more careful.

  6. Maggs says:

    Comment on theology of Chipmunks for Poor Richard.

    To Chipmunks (chipmonks), God is in the stripes. Woe to those who have no stripes.

  7. AcePilot101 says:

    I hate being a Christian. I have to love you no matter what you say or do.
    Like that guy who killed 13 people at Fort Hood yesterday. You know, Major Hasan? He’s a practising Muslim, goes to the Mosque on a regular basis, and he’s a psychiatrist. He’s obviously got a mental disorder. Oh crap! I just gave his lawyer a successful defense!

  8. Bodach says:

    AcePilot101:
    /snark
    Bravo! You’re the first I’ve seen this morning that came up with the new right wing talking points about a tragedy that should bring all Americans together. Try some of that compassion you Xians go on about all the time.
    /end snark

  9. Guest Pest says:

    It looks like Australia’s Greg Craven is the equivalent of Bill Donohue in the US.

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  11. Lord Elric says:

    SNL Jeopardy…
    Sean Connery: Craven Moorehead.
    Alex Trebek: Who is Craven Moorehead?
    Connery: I guess you are!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!

  12. nina says:

    I’d almost say it takes a hateful bigot to know one or the equally silly, we don’t hate beleivers, just the belief .

    But it’s very funny to me when the majority is so threatened by the minority. At last Canada and US Census, only 16% of people identified as no or no particular religion.

    But then, since the census data had previously been a steady 8% for many decades, perhaps they should be nervous….

  13. JohnnieCanuck says:

    Interesting how he claimed that all Catholics should not be blamed for all those nasty things that some Catholics are indeed responsible for and then tacked on cane toads. Makes me wonder if the people who imported the toads were incidentally Catholic.

  14. Hobbes says:

    AcePilot101, “Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction” –Blaise Pascal.

    Muslims have no monopoly on religious killings.

    Ever heard of the Crusades? How about the Spanish Inquisition? Oliver Cromwell? Perhaps the Holocaust (Most Germans were Christians). How about the slaughter at Van? In Armenia, Christians and Muslims slaughtered each other by the tens of thousands. Then there was the Saint Bartholomew’s Day Massacre. Check out the the Catholic Church’s auto-da-fa held in 1559 in honor of King Philip II. There is much, much more.

    There are also scores of stories on the books of modern day Christians murdering non Christians and each other. So, don’t look askance at Muslims. Look in the mirror first. Then, look at the history of religion in general.

  15. Naboo says:

    Hobbes, this is what I have been trying to tell Christians for years when they make smart ass comments about Muslims….
    Both religions have bad pasts, and some do still have a bad present.
    But it got nothing to do with religion, it is the cultures of the day that uses religion as a tool to justify their deeds.

  16. Valis says:

    Also don’t forget the Rwandan genocide, where Catholic priests and nuns were murdering women and children. Two million dead….

  17. kiyaroru says:

    The subtitle of Hitchens’s book is “How Religion Poisons Everything”. He did not limit anything to the current big two monogodisms. Nor should we. Elves, djinn, angels, ghosts, avatars, etc. All crap. All identically equal crap. Don’t pick any one over the rest.

  18. Crusader Rabid says:

    Valis – get a haircut!

  19. BucketBoy says:

    My favourite of the responses to the original article:
    “Catholics endorse child molestation, hate all other religions, would re-introduce the crusades and the auto de fe at the slightest opportunity, despise women, wish to persecute homosexuals, greedily divert public moneys for their own religious purposes, subvert public health care, brainwash children, and are masterminding the spread of the cane toad across northern Australia.”

    I am shocked! I had no idea the catholic church was involved in the spread of the cane toad.

    whatwasthat | purgatory – November 04, 2009, 6:17AM

    ZING!

  20. Hobbes says:

    Yes, the Rwandan genocide underscores the end result of teaching one ethnic group that they are superior to another (or all others). I disagree, however, that religion has nothing to do with the history of man’s butchery of man.

    Ethnocentrism is the twin brother of religious fanaticism (fundamentalism), but provides the driving force for murder and genocide.

    “Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction.”—Blaise Pascal

  21. Hobbes says:

    And, there’s nothing wrong with Valis’ hair.

  22. Naboo says:

    I agree, great hair Valis :D

  23. Stephen Turner says:

    Hobbes: great feathers.

  24. Hobbes says:

    You like my feather-do? Thanks. I had it done just for this blog.

  25. Mateo-Argentino says:

    This is a very funny/depressing thing that happended to me (true stroy):

    Ive been told that “Im a catholic wether I like it or not” TWICE, wth???

    first person: “you took the communion, therefore, you are catholic”…I took the communion when I was 12, I “converted” at 14…I was the first atheist I “met”.

    Second preson: The catholic church accepts everyone, wheter the like it or not…(so I guess no one is going to hell…)

    what do i have to do, go to the vatican and ask the pope to excomulgate me???

  26. MyCatIsGod says:

    My Cat – great fur. God-like, in fact.

  27. MyCatIsGod says:

    Like Achilleus

  28. nina says:

    hey Crusader Rabid, get some manners

  29. Hobbes says:

    Why does the cat remind me of Bill-the-Cat?

    Mateo-Argentino, you shouldn’t be depressed or even concerned. You are a free-thinker and not the victim of religious inculcation. You have no genetic connection to the church. Tell your taunters that you have self-excommunicated yourself and vaulted the walls of monomaniacal superstition. Your mind is now free-ranging.

    If you are interested, my own evolution from religion I have placed on my back-water blog at http://earthsshadow.blogspot.com/, entitled “The Renaissance of My Life.” 4th entry from the bottom of the page.

    You can find many folks like yourself at http://exchristian.net/testimonies/ .

  30. Morgan says:

    Great stuff. Will keep reading. Might even pick me up one of them mugs. I live with my girlfriend who is… religious.. and it would be great to set down in front of her quietly and oh so random.

  31. grouchy-one says:

    Mateo-Argentino – thought you might like this…
    http://www.inebriateddiscourse.com/2009/09/jesus-could-ball-but-he-was-no-messiah.html
    A great description on how easy it can be to become certifiably non-catholic :-D

  32. Hobbes says:

    And Mateo-Argentino, if all else fails, you can always abduct a communion wafer and hold it hostage until the Pope excommunicates you.

    Wafer abduction seems to cause them to break out in little butt holes and poop all over themselves.

  33. Jack Mackerel says:

    Hobbes – I guess that’s why fifty percent of my city has all its stabbings perpetrated by the churches around here! Damn bastards, they’re just as bad as that GOP party! Killing children daily, how shameful.

  34. Suido says:

    Fortunately, it’s not all bad news from down under… here’s a reply that was published by the same news outlet two days later:

    http://www.watoday.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/the-new-crybaby-theists-20091105-hyyc.html

  35. Hobbes says:

    Suido, thanks for the link. It reminded me of a conversation I had with a coworker a few weeks ago. We got on quite will until she asked me what is my religion. When I told her I was an atheist, she asked me why. I gave her a respectful, reasoned explanation, which included the theological arguments that convinced me my early, learned beliefs had to be wrong. She became agitated and decided my explanation was an attack on her beliefs. She said that since I was a nonbeliever, I was an evil person. When I suggested that her view was irrational, and explained why, she became angry. So much for rational theism (or, is that an oxymoron?).

  36. John Moore says:

    Waiting to see what Author does with the Ft. Hood story. Awaiting his genious….

  37. nina says:

    Hobbes

    funny how we’re the evil ones, when we’re not the ones making the snap judgments about moral character based on a very limited description of a person, eh?

  38. Hobbes says:

    Ya got that right, nina. It gets my hair all up in a frazzle.

  39. Evidenceonly says:

    Hobbes’ “When I told her I was an atheist, she asked me why. I gave her a respectful, reasoned explanation, which included the theological arguments that convinced me my early, learned beliefs had to be wrong. She became agitated and decided my explanation was an attack on her beliefs.”

    I had a similar experience a few weeks ago; Was asked which book I had in my hand by a barmaid (was having a quick pint before getting on the train – I don’t take books into the pub as a general rule). When I told her it was The End Of Faith by Sam Harris and what it was about she got VERY angry, told me to “go and read the fucking Koran” and that I would end up in hell for all eternity! This was a muslim working on a Friday serving alcohol to people!!!!! The most galling thing about the whole episode is that she didn’t even ask if I agreed with Harris’ sentiments (I do) before she lauched her tirade! These people wonder why they are ridiculed by the rationally minded?

  40. Evidenceonly says:

    By the way, if you haven’t read The End Of Faith get a copy tomorrow. I would also recommend A letter to a Christian Nation by the same author.

  41. Toast in the machine says:

    I suspect Jack Mackerel was being sarcastic. It’s ironic then that he is actually, essentially correct. From ‘Letter to a Christian Nation’ by Sam Harris:

    While political party affiliation in the US is not a perfect indicator of religiosity, it is no secret that the ‘red states’ are primarily red because of the overwhelming political influence of conservative Christians. If there were a strong correlation between Christian conservatism and societal health, we might expect to see some sign of it in red-state America . We don’t. Of the 25 cities with the lowest rates of violent crime, 62% are in ‘blue’ states and 38% are in ‘red’ states. Of the 25 most dangerous cities, 76% are in red states, 24% in blue states. In fact, 3 of the 5 most dangerous cities in the US are in the pious state of Texas. The 12 states with the highest rates of burglary are red. 24 of the 29 states with the highest rates of theft are red. Of the 22 states with the highest rates of murder, 17 are red.

    Of course, correlational data of this sort do not resolve questions of causality – belief in God may lead to societal dysfunction; societal dysfunction may foster a belief in God; each factor may enable the other; or both may spring from some deeper source of mischief. Leaving aside the issue of cause and effect, however, these statistics prove that atheism is compatible with the basic aspirations of a civil society; they also prove, conclusively, that widespread belief in God does not ensure a society’s health.

  42. Bill says:

    Forgive me for saying the obvious, but this was a very craven attack.

  43. Daoloth says:

    Don’t worry. Problem solved: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/biology_evolution/article6905259.ece
    It’s all that bastard Darwin’s fault for inventing evolution. While we are about it isn’t it time that Newton was criticised for inventing gravity and making me fall over and sprain my ankle. When will these boffins ever learn eh?

  44. andrea says:

    Daoloth, that reminds me of a letter I saw in Metro the other week which said something like – if the bible contained a deity-based version of why we stick to the ground rather than float about then we’d be debating the theory of gravity.

  45. Willbell says:

    I would share this on Facebook but I have some (mostly Christian) friends who would think this was being serious.

  46. Acolyte of Sagan says:

    Willbell, in my humble opinion, fuck ‘em! It never hurts to hold a mirror up to their beliefs.

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