Actually they were not banished for disobedience. The reason is given in Genesis 3.
Then the Lord God said, ‘See, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever’— therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from which he was taken. – NRSV
They were banned because they had become like gods, and as such, couldn’t be allowed to live forever.
For the week’s Gnostic narrative on the matter, via a circumstance with a lot of moving parts, the evil creator of the material world, Yaldabaoth, and his archons, made Adam and Eve. God (Christ) came along and got them to eat the apple, because knowing what’s going on is a good thing. That made them too superior for Yaldabaoth’s liking, so he booted them out, after raping Eve. Descendants of this act are Cain and Abel. Descendant of Adam & Eve was Seth.
Donn Cave: Tarantino should write the screenplay. I’m thinking Antony Hopkins as Yaldabaoth and Keanu Reeves as Adam. Not sure who to cast as Christ. Are you thinking White Jesus or Brown Jesus?
Since Jesus never existed outside the feeble minds of the sloth tossers of the 4th century CE. You could make her a Lamia like creature part woman part snake and any colour you like….
And yes the feeble widge warblers invented a story warning those dangerous free thinkers that eating from the fruit of knowledge is dangerous….Clearly those peddling their utter trash didn’t want their scam being rumbled….and yet here we are 1600ish years later and those same pilchard pokers are still calling the shots and the massed morons keep on lapping it up…
I’m a little fuzzy on how the Gnostic thing brings in a flesh Jesus. Their thing is a lot of cosmic entities creating this and that. Yaldabaoth – the Creator – has a variety of physical attributes, including aborted fetus, but generally they reject the material world and Jesus was supposed to have come from outside creation with means of escape. I think. For another week’s episode.
My reading of the fable is that Eve was the hero. She had the gumption to take the initiative. Adam, the love interest, went along with her, out of love. In this reading, Yahweh is a competent wildlife manager, releasing the breeding pair into the wild when they develop mental and sexual maturity. No sin or blame are involved, just natural difficulty.
As with all religious texts the natural and strong sex drive of the saps has to be stamped upon and seen as sinful…natural sex drive had to be controlled by the wombat wankers didn’t it?
One of my favourite things to point out to the devoted is that canonically, an omniscient god would have known that Eve and Adam would eat the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Ergo, god deliberately set the humans to fall – and the serpent is very much an agent of this omniscient, omnipotent entity.
The only logical failure is attributing benevolence to this entity that deliberately sets up their creations for failure, inevitable pain and for many of us eternal damnation.
So you force yourself to believe something that clearly cannot be proven true. Faith is a synonym with psychosis no if’s nor buts the religious are mentally ill and the sooner such people are marginalised and pitied is the day that we earn our monika…Sapiens…
M27, monika…Sapiens… You gotta be kidding me. Looked it up and saw a barbie doll kinda Doki Doki literature club thing. I thought you meant Moniker Sapiens, as in having the characteristics of sapience, but no, I’m going to let it go at Monica. No wonder nobody comes here anymore, it’s too crowded.
The religious nonsense is a rich vein of comedic parody, well it used to be. Would the Python team be accused of hate crine had they made Life of Brian this year?
Where would today’s churches be if Eve and Adam had done what they were told and Judas hadn’t given up Jesus to the Romans? Without these “baddies” they’d have no story.
I wonder if this thing with the flawed characters shows up equally in other religions, or if Christians are uniquely responsive to guilt? I thought I could check that out with Hindu stories, but half way through the wikipedia entry on Arjuna I had enough. As far as I got, I didn’t spot anything.
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Actually they were not banished for disobedience. The reason is given in Genesis 3.
Then the Lord God said, ‘See, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever’— therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from which he was taken. – NRSV
They were banned because they had become like gods, and as such, couldn’t be allowed to live forever.
For the week’s Gnostic narrative on the matter, via a circumstance with a lot of moving parts, the evil creator of the material world, Yaldabaoth, and his archons, made Adam and Eve. God (Christ) came along and got them to eat the apple, because knowing what’s going on is a good thing. That made them too superior for Yaldabaoth’s liking, so he booted them out, after raping Eve. Descendants of this act are Cain and Abel. Descendant of Adam & Eve was Seth.
Donn Cave: Tarantino should write the screenplay. I’m thinking Antony Hopkins as Yaldabaoth and Keanu Reeves as Adam. Not sure who to cast as Christ. Are you thinking White Jesus or Brown Jesus?
Since Jesus never existed outside the feeble minds of the sloth tossers of the 4th century CE. You could make her a Lamia like creature part woman part snake and any colour you like….
And yes the feeble widge warblers invented a story warning those dangerous free thinkers that eating from the fruit of knowledge is dangerous….Clearly those peddling their utter trash didn’t want their scam being rumbled….and yet here we are 1600ish years later and those same pilchard pokers are still calling the shots and the massed morons keep on lapping it up…
I’m a little fuzzy on how the Gnostic thing brings in a flesh Jesus. Their thing is a lot of cosmic entities creating this and that. Yaldabaoth – the Creator – has a variety of physical attributes, including aborted fetus, but generally they reject the material world and Jesus was supposed to have come from outside creation with means of escape. I think. For another week’s episode.
My reading of the fable is that Eve was the hero. She had the gumption to take the initiative. Adam, the love interest, went along with her, out of love. In this reading, Yahweh is a competent wildlife manager, releasing the breeding pair into the wild when they develop mental and sexual maturity. No sin or blame are involved, just natural difficulty.
As with all religious texts the natural and strong sex drive of the saps has to be stamped upon and seen as sinful…natural sex drive had to be controlled by the wombat wankers didn’t it?
The only one who told the truth was the serpent.
A talking snake? I DONT BELIEVE IT….
Snakes do not lie.
One of my favourite things to point out to the devoted is that canonically, an omniscient god would have known that Eve and Adam would eat the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Ergo, god deliberately set the humans to fall – and the serpent is very much an agent of this omniscient, omnipotent entity.
The only logical failure is attributing benevolence to this entity that deliberately sets up their creations for failure, inevitable pain and for many of us eternal damnation.
If it weren’t logically baseless, it wouldn’t be faith.
So you force yourself to believe something that clearly cannot be proven true. Faith is a synonym with psychosis no if’s nor buts the religious are mentally ill and the sooner such people are marginalised and pitied is the day that we earn our monika…Sapiens…
M27, monika…Sapiens… You gotta be kidding me. Looked it up and saw a barbie doll kinda Doki Doki literature club thing. I thought you meant Moniker Sapiens, as in having the characteristics of sapience, but no, I’m going to let it go at Monica. No wonder nobody comes here anymore, it’s too crowded.
Best version of that story ever, I think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBOKi5XmR30
The religious nonsense is a rich vein of comedic parody, well it used to be. Would the Python team be accused of hate crine had they made Life of Brian this year?
Where would today’s churches be if Eve and Adam had done what they were told and Judas hadn’t given up Jesus to the Romans? Without these “baddies” they’d have no story.
Clearly. All of the bible narrative is absolute balderdash. Only a mollusc molester would consider it worth more than a heap of dead flies…
I wonder if this thing with the flawed characters shows up equally in other religions, or if Christians are uniquely responsive to guilt? I thought I could check that out with Hindu stories, but half way through the wikipedia entry on Arjuna I had enough. As far as I got, I didn’t spot anything.
I am busy exploring several Python AI frameworks. Far more productive than reading religious balderdash me thinks…