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Discussion (27)¬

  1. 3handles says:

    Great work Author as always.
    It does always get me going. Nice to laugh at it today though.
    By the way… missing “to” in panel 1 I think.

  2. Author says:

    Thanks, 3handles. Fixed it now.

  3. Ben Elms-Lester says:


  4. 1HappyHeathen says:

    nice one…. we are dealing with the same, soon maybe worse if the theocrats get their way with our high court.
    happy independence day from the former colonies…

  5. Can Giles Fraser make a guest appearance some day? That would be hilarious.

  6. Bruce says:

    “Can Giles Fraser make a guest appearance some day? That would be hilarious.”

    What, as a false prophet? LOL.

  7. Good one, Author. Actually got a laugh out loud out of me this time. Yes, as a tolerant society we even have to tolerate the intolerant. But do we have to subsidize them with tax free churches and school funding?

  8. jmsr7 says:

    Tolerance is a peace agreement. It’s “i’ll let you live your way if you let me live my way.”

    The tolerant do not have to tolerate the intolerant. This is a basic misunderstanding that causes A LOT of confusion. The intolerant – by definition – are breaking the agreement so you don’t have to tolerate them!

    What’s more, tolerance does not include having to like each other, or support their opinions, or assist them in any other way. If you disapprove of what others are doing, you are allowed to do everything up to but not including suppressing their rights to act in the way they do. Provided they do the same. Religious schools usually don’t act in a tolerant manner, but even those who do don’t deserve societal support from those who disagree with them.

    It’s like the old saying: “A good religion needs no government support. A bad religion deserves none.”

  9. JonPierson says:

    Somewhat sickening. I live in Ireland. There are NO non-denominational, secular schools. The Education minister has announced that parents are to be balloted to decide which religion all children in their local school are to be indoctrinated with. (The attached Irish Times article is inaccurate. “Educate Together” schools are multi-denominational, not non-denominational, they allow use of their schools for religious instruction and faith formation.)

  10. Someone says:

    We live in a tolerant and diverse society. For now. Dystopia is only a few steps away.

  11. Some Dude says:

    @jmsr7: You made a fantastic point, but I will go a little bit further.

    You said “(…)tolerance does not include having to like each other, or support their opinions(…)“, but I say that, in fact, the word tolerance implies dislike and disagreement: “I have to tolerate you because I don’t like you”.

    If you don’t agree with what someone else thinks and says, or you even find them obnoxious, but they’re not acting against your individual freedom, you tolerate them. You don’t have to tolerate those whom you like, am I right?

  12. M27Holts says:

    In Britain we do live in a very tolerant society. We allow some barbaric bronze age customs to persist into the 21st century. Curiously others are no longer tolerated by law. Interestingly only the religious seem to get a free pass in those cases of customary barbarism. The sooner organised religion is removed from all public places the better our society will be! Does that make me a Nazi?

  13. LD50 says:

    I started school when I was 4 (nearly 5). One of my early memories was singing Morning has Broken during assembly. I loved it! (I liked blackbirds too). And I picked up The Lord’s Prayer. No trespassing! and all that.

    It turns out that our school assemblies (14 years thereof) were, or had aspects of, church services. There were prayers and hymns along with sports results and exhortations not to walk on the grass. These were normal English state schools.

    We also had RE (religious education — and there was only one type on offer). We seem to have missed all the good bits though 🙁

    “See that village down there? God wants us to go and wipe them out. Men, women, children, babies. And the goats. Kill them all!!!!”

    “Bring those strangers out here! We want to rape them, ‘cos that’s what we do in these parts!”

    “What? No! Here, how about you rape my daughters instead? Look, this one’s all fresh and innocent. Clean.”

    And so on.

    Actually, maybe one should study these bits in a bit more detail. With more historical and geographic context. I had no idea at the time where and when Babylon was. Who Medes or Assyrians were. How long the Philistines had been there. Who Canaanites were. Phoenicians. Who invented the alphabet. All fascinating stuff.

    Anyway, I was absolutely astonished to find (when I got to university!) that anyone (my age) actually believed God existed. I suspect the home has more influence than school.

  14. M27Holts says:

    Aye. I Was at school in England betwixt 1971 and 1981. They made us sing hymns…we used to sing different words as I can remember…”to be a pilgrim” was sung as “to be a pillock”…school boy humour eh…

  15. Dr John the Wipper says:

    One memory of my (catholic) primary school stands out, and I STILL am amazed by it:
    In those days there was some hightened attention of new fossil finds, considered by scientists to confirm a coherent picture of millions of years of evolution.

    When we came to discuss these in class, the teaching was “those were put there by god to test our faith, as the bible clearly states the world was created as-is some 6000 years ago”.

    Well, MY faith certainly failed THAT test!

  16. HelenaHandbasket says:

    The creationists have now mostly dropped the “fossils were put there to test our faith” crapola, in favor of “dinosaurs and Jesus co-existed” crapoloa. I assume this is because they realised that dissing dinosaurs was losing the kid vote.
    Some examples:

  17. M27Holts says:

    From about 6 years of age, I had empirical proof that the Father Xmas is real hypothesis was incorrect. And I knew that dinosaurs had been wiped out by a cataclysmic global event 65 million years bce…what stupid fooker would believe otherwise…how do these people get by without their stupidity killing them?

  18. Jim Baerg says:

    For debunking of Creationist claims in probably more detail than any reader of JesusandMo needs see this channel

  19. HelenaHandbasket says:

    M27Holts. Their stupidty DOES kill them. They like it that way. Some of them are actively trying to bring about Armageddon, so the rest of us can share in gods harvest of souls

  20. Deimos says:

    Dr John : my main memories from a Catholic education all over the western world was how nice the schools were and how pleasant the other children were. Most of my time in other schools was spent learning to run or cycle away very quickly. I was a scholarship boy at one very good catholic secondary school and it was a most excellent education.
    JonPierson : I used to live in Ireland, the Catholic education there seems to be very much the “lite” version today and is mostly tolerable because buying out the church would cost a bloody fortune.
    I know many people have suffered horribly in Catholic schools and institutions but especially in Ireland this was a societal problem as well as a religious one. Ireland’s journey in the last century could be simplified to Oppressed, self oppression, possible enlightenment. I hope the journey now continues to enlightened, tolerant and caring for all equally but the continuing anti semitism and an undertone of racism are very much a part of Ireland today… or am I wrong ?

  21. Laripu says:

    It’s possible some of you don’t know about Betty Bowers, America’s Best Christian™. If that’s the case, allow me to introduce you:

    BTW, America’s Best Christian is Canadian. 🙂

  22. HelenaHandbasket says:

    Laripu: Many thanks for that one. Thats going in the collection

  23. M27Holts says:

    Very good satire. The religious goons won’t understand it, they haven’t got the analytical skills to identify such subtlety of humour.

  24. Son of Glenner says:

    M27Holts: Did your remark at July 9, 7:42 pm, refer to the J&M strip or Betty Bowers?

    BTW, I think they’re both brilliant. I’m a regular at J&M, I may start following Betty Bowers as well.

  25. M27Holts says:

    Both I suppose

  26. Hitori says:

    NO tolerante!
    YES indifference!
    Si no te afecta deja de victimizarte!
    Quizás deberíamos preocuparnos más por la inteligencia emocional que el razonamiento. (Creen que es bueno y normal tener miedo, piden ayuda a su bullyng)

  27. postdoggerel says:

    M27Holts, “how do these people get by without their stupidity killing them?”
    It is 11/19/2021, and the covid-19 pandemic has the anti-science/ant-vaccine crowd dropping like flies.


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