Aye. Those wacky python boys were sensible in only lampooning christianity and judaism in Life of Brian, imagine of they had been inclusive and included a flash forward scene with the aliens where they visited a psychotic madman in a cave called Mohammed?
Muggeridge was a christian apologist of the worst kind, he was clearly bright enough to realise Jesus was a mythical person who was based on a set of hypothetical persons of which all existance is based on more than likely fictional accounts. Not a shred of hard science and archeological evidence to build a case for one actual living person(s)
M27Holts: Have you ever seen Hitchens statement on why he believs Jesus was an actual person? The premise of his argument is that the demonstrably historically inaccurate tale of the nativity only makes sense if someone was trying to historically retrofit an itinerant nazarene.
rabbi, with the necessary traits to be able to be considered the jewish messiah. Quite interesting.
Yes, but has that Hypothesis been proven by any archeological proofs? Yes, hundreds of mad Rabbi’s spouted their shite and yes, some of them may have met their death via being nailed to a tree or whatever. But my point is that the Mythical Jesus story and the preposterous torah and bible narratives cannot be linked to any single individual, thus Jebus is a fictional character bases on a set of loon bombs im the levant.My hypothesis is more likely than the Hitch’s….
Oh, my god, how theological are the ideas discussed on this forum. Would that it was not so. Angels dancing on a pinhead or a quark solution to it all, bollocks. None of it. We here in the USA are having a harder time of it than you Brits with your damn stupid Brexit, by means of the common folk. Well, fuck all, what goes around comes around. goddamn stupid fucking sychophants to a megomaniacal narcissist demented dictator. Now let me tell you how I really feel.
My stance is never theological. I state that as far as archeological facts, Jesus as a singular person never existed and only christian apologist historians would claim otherwise. As for trump, if you allow stupid gullible people to vote then you get Trump as POTUS…simples
I ran away from the US but am now encountering some of the same dynamic in Portugal, and it’s apparently worse in other European countries. There’s a set of weaknesses in the race, that someone’s become quite expert at exploiting.
But I think we’ll get over it, better than the US. Partly because the political system isn’t two-party, but mainly because the US fatally injured itself with slavery.
I’m not real sure why just the US, when it wasn’t by far the only country that did it; my theory – theological of course – is that part of it is the moral rigidity of the dominant Protestant church. Of course that didn’t deter them at all from enslaving people – that isn’t how religion works, they just tailor their moral rules to the convenience of the powerful. It’s admitting that one may have sinned, that Protestants are ill equipped for. And of course the other side is Protestant too.
So we had some extreme unpleasantness, followed by a century of background unpleasantness, and eventually Eisenhower had to take the bull by the horns because this stuff could not be ignored in the world’s leading country, and the 101st Airborne paid a visit to Little Rock AR, and we had a decade of civil rights legislation.
The civil rights thing stepped on Jerry Falwell’s toes and others like him who were running segregated religious schools, and he went to work firing up the “Moral Majority” (… Who Were Neither.) Meanwhile, Eisenhower et al. had set a sort of civic course change, that made public consensus secondary to a sort of enlightened-elite consensus, and public institutions have – ever since – operated on that basis. Falwell couldn’t have done much with public outrage over integrating religious schools oer se, but he did manage to tap into the simmering discontent of Protestants made to be sorry about their racism, and redirect it against the liberal society, and get Reagan elected. Not to argue that both sides of this divide have been equally bad, but they’ve been gleefully making it worse ever since. But if you could get them to cool it, there’d still be the racism. Which is not necessarily more prevalent in the US than in, say, Brazil, but it’s more toxic to the society. All because of Protestant morality.
Think Germany is a counter example, the home of Protestantism, repentant from its horrors of the Hitler era? Think again, they’re back at it.
Presume you are Catholic then? You seem to blame everything on white Protestants? And Hitler? Djdn’t he have backing from Rome for his mad homicidal ideas?
Donn Cave: “Moral Majority”
It’s interesting that two groups used the same rhetorical trick.
Bolshevik means “majority party” & they started using the term for themselves while still very much the minority.
The way the wikipedia entry reads to me, the name was a reference to having won a majority of issue votes in the Second Party Congress of the Russian Social Democratic Labor Party. They’d been known at the time as the “hard” faction, I guess largely because of their “vanguardism”, i.e. “we’ll seize state power.”
In blighty, the Islamic sex gangs scandal has finally been rumbled. However, no link between the islamic religious dogma which basically instructs (mainly Pakistani) men to abuse underage (non muslim) women , thus they think they haven’t done anything wrong…until the religion itself isn’t cited as a major factor in all these illegal activities it will go on and on…
There’s several bits of the new testament that read not as propaganda but as reportage. Such as the drawing shapes in the dust episode preparatory to the stoning. (C.S. Lewis makes this argument). None of that affects Jesus ‘supposed divinity, however. What’s tougher for Christians is to explain all the other virgin born light bringer types rhat predate him
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Aye. Those wacky python boys were sensible in only lampooning christianity and judaism in Life of Brian, imagine of they had been inclusive and included a flash forward scene with the aliens where they visited a psychotic madman in a cave called Mohammed?
Though I do remember some christian loon bombs trying to stop people from entering cinemas and christians like Malcolm Muggeridge wanting it banned….
Muggeridge was a christian apologist of the worst kind, he was clearly bright enough to realise Jesus was a mythical person who was based on a set of hypothetical persons of which all existance is based on more than likely fictional accounts. Not a shred of hard science and archeological evidence to build a case for one actual living person(s)
M27Holts: Have you ever seen Hitchens statement on why he believs Jesus was an actual person? The premise of his argument is that the demonstrably historically inaccurate tale of the nativity only makes sense if someone was trying to historically retrofit an itinerant nazarene.
rabbi, with the necessary traits to be able to be considered the jewish messiah. Quite interesting.
Yes, but has that Hypothesis been proven by any archeological proofs? Yes, hundreds of mad Rabbi’s spouted their shite and yes, some of them may have met their death via being nailed to a tree or whatever. But my point is that the Mythical Jesus story and the preposterous torah and bible narratives cannot be linked to any single individual, thus Jebus is a fictional character bases on a set of loon bombs im the levant.My hypothesis is more likely than the Hitch’s….
Oh, my god, how theological are the ideas discussed on this forum. Would that it was not so. Angels dancing on a pinhead or a quark solution to it all, bollocks. None of it. We here in the USA are having a harder time of it than you Brits with your damn stupid Brexit, by means of the common folk. Well, fuck all, what goes around comes around. goddamn stupid fucking sychophants to a megomaniacal narcissist demented dictator. Now let me tell you how I really feel.
My stance is never theological. I state that as far as archeological facts, Jesus as a singular person never existed and only christian apologist historians would claim otherwise. As for trump, if you allow stupid gullible people to vote then you get Trump as POTUS…simples
I ran away from the US but am now encountering some of the same dynamic in Portugal, and it’s apparently worse in other European countries. There’s a set of weaknesses in the race, that someone’s become quite expert at exploiting.
But I think we’ll get over it, better than the US. Partly because the political system isn’t two-party, but mainly because the US fatally injured itself with slavery.
I’m not real sure why just the US, when it wasn’t by far the only country that did it; my theory – theological of course – is that part of it is the moral rigidity of the dominant Protestant church. Of course that didn’t deter them at all from enslaving people – that isn’t how religion works, they just tailor their moral rules to the convenience of the powerful. It’s admitting that one may have sinned, that Protestants are ill equipped for. And of course the other side is Protestant too.
So we had some extreme unpleasantness, followed by a century of background unpleasantness, and eventually Eisenhower had to take the bull by the horns because this stuff could not be ignored in the world’s leading country, and the 101st Airborne paid a visit to Little Rock AR, and we had a decade of civil rights legislation.
The civil rights thing stepped on Jerry Falwell’s toes and others like him who were running segregated religious schools, and he went to work firing up the “Moral Majority” (… Who Were Neither.) Meanwhile, Eisenhower et al. had set a sort of civic course change, that made public consensus secondary to a sort of enlightened-elite consensus, and public institutions have – ever since – operated on that basis. Falwell couldn’t have done much with public outrage over integrating religious schools oer se, but he did manage to tap into the simmering discontent of Protestants made to be sorry about their racism, and redirect it against the liberal society, and get Reagan elected. Not to argue that both sides of this divide have been equally bad, but they’ve been gleefully making it worse ever since. But if you could get them to cool it, there’d still be the racism. Which is not necessarily more prevalent in the US than in, say, Brazil, but it’s more toxic to the society. All because of Protestant morality.
Think Germany is a counter example, the home of Protestantism, repentant from its horrors of the Hitler era? Think again, they’re back at it.
Presume you are Catholic then? You seem to blame everything on white Protestants? And Hitler? Djdn’t he have backing from Rome for his mad homicidal ideas?
Donn Cave: “Moral Majority”
It’s interesting that two groups used the same rhetorical trick.
Bolshevik means “majority party” & they started using the term for themselves while still very much the minority.
The way the wikipedia entry reads to me, the name was a reference to having won a majority of issue votes in the Second Party Congress of the Russian Social Democratic Labor Party. They’d been known at the time as the “hard” faction, I guess largely because of their “vanguardism”, i.e. “we’ll seize state power.”
In blighty, the Islamic sex gangs scandal has finally been rumbled. However, no link between the islamic religious dogma which basically instructs (mainly Pakistani) men to abuse underage (non muslim) women , thus they think they haven’t done anything wrong…until the religion itself isn’t cited as a major factor in all these illegal activities it will go on and on…
There’s several bits of the new testament that read not as propaganda but as reportage. Such as the drawing shapes in the dust episode preparatory to the stoning. (C.S. Lewis makes this argument). None of that affects Jesus ‘supposed divinity, however. What’s tougher for Christians is to explain all the other virgin born light bringer types rhat predate him