Comments on: head http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/12/22/head/ Comic featuring Jesus and Mohammed Fri, 30 Jul 2010 16:37:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Nicole http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/12/22/head/comment-page-1/#comment-161507 Nicole Sat, 09 Jan 2010 17:25:24 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/?p=1075#comment-161507 Very much enjoy reading the comix. Hoping that we could discuss use of one of them (this one) on an upcoming post on my site. It's about the lack of compassion often displayed by religious people when it comes to people who are sick or hurt. Especially the idea that people deserve or have brought about the wrath of god and so their illness or injury is evidence for that. Often present in some quantity with religious folk and a great excuse not to have to care about people or to believe that praying for someone is enough. Quite a touchy topic in some ways, so a little humor would be very welcome. Hope to hear from you, and good work! Very much enjoy reading the comix. Hoping that we could discuss use of one of them (this one) on an upcoming post on my site. It’s about the lack of compassion often displayed by religious people when it comes to people who are sick or hurt. Especially the idea that people deserve or have brought about the wrath of god and so their illness or injury is evidence for that. Often present in some quantity with religious folk and a great excuse not to have to care about people or to believe that praying for someone is enough. Quite a touchy topic in some ways, so a little humor would be very welcome. Hope to hear from you, and good work!

]]> By: kiyaroru http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/12/22/head/comment-page-1/#comment-161209 kiyaroru Tue, 05 Jan 2010 15:04:21 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/?p=1075#comment-161209 If we don't get a new fix soon, I'm going to start preying. I mean praying. Who is the god of interweb cartoons? If we don’t get a new fix soon, I’m going to start preying. I mean praying. Who is the god of interweb cartoons?

]]> By: John Moore http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/12/22/head/comment-page-1/#comment-161208 John Moore Tue, 05 Jan 2010 13:53:36 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/?p=1075#comment-161208 Author here is good lead for another J&M cartoon..... http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article6973966.ece Author here is good lead for another J&M cartoon…..
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article6973966.ece

]]> By: P.H. Bering http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/12/22/head/comment-page-1/#comment-161196 P.H. Bering Tue, 05 Jan 2010 10:45:01 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/?p=1075#comment-161196 The next installemnt is long overdue, so, pleeeease, don't let us starve much longer! The next installemnt is long overdue, so, pleeeease, don’t let us starve much longer!

]]> By: DonR http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/12/22/head/comment-page-1/#comment-161150 DonR Mon, 04 Jan 2010 23:14:18 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/?p=1075#comment-161150 Johnnie said: "Also, the sun was darkened for three hours, all over the Earth (wouldn’t that require a flat Earth to work?)" No, not really. Not if the light source is extinguished, or covered up. A spherical object that's not in the path of light rays is as dark as a flat object not in the path of light rays. Everything else is correct, but that piece of logic is pretty flawed. Johnnie said: “Also, the sun was darkened for three hours, all over the Earth (wouldn’t that require a flat Earth to work?)”

No, not really. Not if the light source is extinguished, or covered up. A spherical object that’s not in the path of light rays is as dark as a flat object not in the path of light rays.

Everything else is correct, but that piece of logic is pretty flawed.

]]> By: Jerry w http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/12/22/head/comment-page-1/#comment-161131 Jerry w Mon, 04 Jan 2010 13:41:49 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/?p=1075#comment-161131 Banging your head on the floor has been found in scientific research to be exactly as effective as lashing yourself with a short leather whip as a show of your devotion. Or, exactly as non-effective, depending on how you look at it. Banging your head on the floor has been found in scientific research to be exactly as effective as lashing yourself with a short leather whip as a show of your devotion. Or, exactly as non-effective, depending on how you look at it.

]]> By: Daoloth http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/12/22/head/comment-page-1/#comment-161123 Daoloth Mon, 04 Jan 2010 11:16:20 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/?p=1075#comment-161123 Can't remember whether anyone has shared this with JaMers yet. If not then check out this new abomination: http://faduda.ie/?p=1996 If it doesn't make you angry then you weren't paying attention Can’t remember whether anyone has shared this with JaMers yet. If not then check out this new abomination: http://faduda.ie/?p=1996
If it doesn’t make you angry then you weren’t paying attention

]]> By: JohnnieCanuck http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/12/22/head/comment-page-1/#comment-161108 JohnnieCanuck Mon, 04 Jan 2010 05:24:40 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/?p=1075#comment-161108 There is barely any evidence of Jesus' existence, independent of the Bible. Both the Romans and the Hebrews of the day were quite dedicated record keepers. For one example, from the many miracles and other claims made for Jesus: The corpses that came back from the dead when he died should have created enough excitement that dozens of records outside the Bible should exist. Imagine many bodies of 'saints' arising from their graves and going into the city and appearing to many. Were they healthy and ready to resume their lives? What of wives and business partners who had made new arrangements? What of the disbursement of their estates? The marvel, not to mention the acrimony would soon have been the talk of the Empire. Also, the sun was darkened for three hours, all over the Earth (wouldn't that require a flat Earth to work?). Why isn't this confirmed by Chinese, Japanese, Indian, Mayan and other astronomers whose records we have? They could hardly have missed it, unless it was already night there. Oh, I know! This claim is just allegory and no True Christian(tm) takes it literally. Two mentions by Josephus, one likely a Christian forgery and the other not supported independently by any other historian of the day, are not much to support the claim that a miracle worker walked the Earth, let alone on water. There is barely any evidence of Jesus’ existence, independent of the Bible. Both the Romans and the Hebrews of the day were quite dedicated record keepers. For one example, from the many miracles and other claims made for Jesus: The corpses that came back from the dead when he died should have created enough excitement that dozens of records outside the Bible should exist.

Imagine many bodies of ‘saints’ arising from their graves and going into the city and appearing to many. Were they healthy and ready to resume their lives? What of wives and business partners who had made new arrangements? What of the disbursement of their estates? The marvel, not to mention the acrimony would soon have been the talk of the Empire.

Also, the sun was darkened for three hours, all over the Earth (wouldn’t that require a flat Earth to work?). Why isn’t this confirmed by Chinese, Japanese, Indian, Mayan and other astronomers whose records we have? They could hardly have missed it, unless it was already night there.

Oh, I know! This claim is just allegory and no True Christian(tm) takes it literally.

Two mentions by Josephus, one likely a Christian forgery and the other not supported independently by any other historian of the day, are not much to support the claim that a miracle worker walked the Earth, let alone on water.

]]> By: DonR http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/12/22/head/comment-page-1/#comment-161105 DonR Mon, 04 Jan 2010 03:55:27 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/?p=1075#comment-161105 @myself Seems my research may be out of date regarding the point in history at which the human/chimp common ancestor resides. Latest readings of mine place it at about 6 million years, not 4 million. Live and learn. :) P.S. Ahh, shit. Just realised I wrote 4 billion, not 4 million previously. It should have been million, my apologies. @myself
Seems my research may be out of date regarding the point in history at which the human/chimp common ancestor resides. Latest readings of mine place it at about 6 million years, not 4 million.

Live and learn. :)

P.S. Ahh, shit. Just realised I wrote 4 billion, not 4 million previously. It should have been million, my apologies.

]]> By: Daoloth http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/12/22/head/comment-page-1/#comment-160944 Daoloth Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:32:58 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/?p=1075#comment-160944 @ Sledge. Much obliged for the link. Hilarious. Always good to start the year with a belly laugh. Unfortunately for those on the "scientists who dissent from Darwinism" list: 1) Calling yourself a scientist don't make you one. 2) Being one does not entail any set of beliefs (even evolution by natural selection) to get into the club. 3) Having an attitude to evidence is what gets you in. Now find me someone on that list who is not religious. There are none. Take any of them and then tell me which piece of evidence would be required to convince them that God does not exist? There is none. Ipso facto they can call themselves what they like. And so can I. @ Sledge. Much obliged for the link. Hilarious. Always good to start the year with a belly laugh. Unfortunately for those on the “scientists who dissent from Darwinism” list:
1) Calling yourself a scientist don’t make you one.
2) Being one does not entail any set of beliefs (even evolution by natural selection) to get into the club.
3) Having an attitude to evidence is what gets you in.
Now find me someone on that list who is not religious. There are none. Take any of them and then tell me which piece of evidence would be required to convince them that God does not exist?
There is none.
Ipso facto they can call themselves what they like. And so can I.

]]> By: DonR http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/12/22/head/comment-page-1/#comment-160938 DonR Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:43:39 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/?p=1075#comment-160938 @Almond Sledge (second comment). You are correct, we did not evolve from apes. We are apes, and all apes (including us) are evolved from a common ancestor which was not an ape. The most recent divergence (ie common ancestor) in the evolutionary tree is between humans and chimpanzees ( and probably bonobos; pygmy chimpanzees) approx. 4,000,000,000 years ago. They are our closest cousins. @Almond Sledge (second comment).

You are correct, we did not evolve from apes. We are apes, and all apes (including us) are evolved from a common ancestor which was not an ape. The most recent divergence (ie common ancestor) in the evolutionary tree is between humans and chimpanzees ( and probably bonobos; pygmy chimpanzees) approx. 4,000,000,000 years ago. They are our closest cousins.

]]> By: DonR http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/12/22/head/comment-page-1/#comment-160937 DonR Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:35:55 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/?p=1075#comment-160937 @Almond Sledge Let's first define what is and isn't an open mind shall we? An open mind is a critical, skeptical tool that analyses ALL EVIDENCE and comes to a conclusion based on probability, reason & logic. An open mind is NOT giving every option equal validity and choosing to accept the most comforting of the options laid out. Provide me, please, with evidence for God's existence; not Jesus' existence, not the proposed miraculousness of certain events... GOD'S existence. I'd love to hear it, because I, like many here, do have an open mind and am quite ready to change my view given appropriate, testable, falsifiable evidence. Note: For the sake of argument, and under presumption, God is defined as the Judea-Christian entity that is all-powerful, all-knowing & the creator of the entire universe containing 100,000,000,000 galaxies, each containing 100,000,000,000 stars, which in total compose approx. 4% of the known universe. @Almond Sledge

Let’s first define what is and isn’t an open mind shall we? An open mind is a critical, skeptical tool that analyses ALL EVIDENCE and comes to a conclusion based on probability, reason & logic. An open mind is NOT giving every option equal validity and choosing to accept the most comforting of the options laid out.

Provide me, please, with evidence for God’s existence; not Jesus’ existence, not the proposed miraculousness of certain events… GOD’S existence. I’d love to hear it, because I, like many here, do have an open mind and am quite ready to change my view given appropriate, testable, falsifiable evidence.

Note: For the sake of argument, and under presumption, God is defined as the Judea-Christian entity that is all-powerful, all-knowing & the creator of the entire universe containing 100,000,000,000 galaxies, each containing 100,000,000,000 stars, which in total compose approx. 4% of the known universe.

]]> By: Almond Sledge http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/12/22/head/comment-page-1/#comment-160934 Almond Sledge Fri, 01 Jan 2010 14:14:21 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/?p=1075#comment-160934 I was looking at the submission at http://www.dissentfromdarwin.org/ and found it really thought provoking. We did not 'evolve' from apes, no we did not. I was looking at the submission at http://www.dissentfromdarwin.org/ and found it really thought provoking. We did not ‘evolve’ from apes, no we did not.

]]> By: Almond Sledge http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/12/22/head/comment-page-1/#comment-160933 Almond Sledge Fri, 01 Jan 2010 14:08:55 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/?p=1075#comment-160933 Doesn't actual evidence point to God's existence? What about the life of Jesus? Was he not a real historical figure? Are the claims we hear about healing and miracles made-up? Let's explore this possibility with an open mind that there is a God and He is able to do what He purposes. Any comments? Sledge Doesn’t actual evidence point to God’s existence? What about the life of Jesus? Was he not a real historical figure?
Are the claims we hear about healing and miracles made-up?
Let’s explore this possibility with an open mind that there is a God and He is able to do what He purposes. Any comments? Sledge

]]> By: T http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/12/22/head/comment-page-1/#comment-160824 T Wed, 30 Dec 2009 19:06:08 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/?p=1075#comment-160824 Can you do a strip about why does God hate amputees? I mean, think about it: incurable, inoperable cancer has been "miraculously" cured! But does someone's appendage or limb ever "miraculously" grow back? No! Can you do a strip about why does God hate amputees? I mean, think about it: incurable, inoperable cancer has been “miraculously” cured! But does someone’s appendage or limb ever “miraculously” grow back? No!

]]> By: nina http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/12/22/head/comment-page-1/#comment-160774 nina Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:07:28 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/?p=1075#comment-160774 food prohibitions made sense in the days before we had refridgeration or understood sea food safety they make little sense now, other than as a cultural affectation or personal preference. food prohibitions made sense in the days before we had refridgeration or understood sea food safety

they make little sense now, other than as a cultural affectation or personal preference.

]]> By: Necessary Evil http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/12/22/head/comment-page-1/#comment-160717 Necessary Evil Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:32:23 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/?p=1075#comment-160717 The upshot of this seems to me to be that religions should carry a Mental Health Warning. On the other hand it has been shown that taking medicines where you have read the small print about all the possible side-effects makes you more likely to suffer those side-effects than if you'd been blissfully unaware. If the benefit of intercessory prayer only occurs when the object of that prayer is aware of it then anyone not wishing to be prayed for can say so. It does seem though that if you are ill then the best course of action would be not to read the label and get people to pray for you. The upshot of this seems to me to be that religions should carry a Mental Health Warning. On the other hand it has been shown that taking medicines where you have read the small print about all the possible side-effects makes you more likely to suffer those side-effects than if you’d been blissfully unaware. If the benefit of intercessory prayer only occurs when the object of that prayer is aware of it then anyone not wishing to be prayed for can say so. It does seem though that if you are ill then the best course of action would be not to read the label and get people to pray for you.

]]> By: Ayashi http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/12/22/head/comment-page-1/#comment-160681 Ayashi Sun, 27 Dec 2009 04:48:49 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/?p=1075#comment-160681 Younger generations trying to break the rules is logical if you consider that is one of the easiest ways to achieve something remarcable, getting the credit for it and it's associate benefits. It's the same princible as lottery, with a relative low cost compared to the benefits if won. Younger generations trying to break the rules is logical if you consider that is one of the easiest ways to achieve something remarcable, getting the credit for it and it’s associate benefits.
It’s the same princible as lottery, with a relative low cost compared to the benefits if won.

]]> By: Daoloth http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/12/22/head/comment-page-1/#comment-160668 Daoloth Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:01:51 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/?p=1075#comment-160668 @Hobbes. Oh sure- I agree. Was not making a moral argument. I don't have any moral arguments- as anyone who knows me would confirm! I am only interested in the psychological mechanisms involved and I am struck by the fact that many prohibitions by the older generation often have the opposite effect of what was intended. I wondered how this mechanism might have evolved. Of course ALL psychological processes evolved- there is no alternative (creationist psychology anyone?). The only interesting question is HOW each process evolved- ie as a direct adaptation or as a by-product of adaption on some other process/es. Food prohibitions are intriguing. By-products of cultural in-group cohesion taboos? Ways to control the young through stopping uncontrolled fraternisation? Tracking local pathogens? All of these (and more besides) are testable hypotheses. Check out Dan Fessler's site if you are interested. A typical paper is this one: http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/anthro/faculty/fessler /pubs/MeatIsGoodToTaboo.pdf @Hobbes. Oh sure- I agree. Was not making a moral argument. I don’t have any moral arguments- as anyone who knows me would confirm!
I am only interested in the psychological mechanisms involved and I am struck by the fact that many prohibitions by the older generation often have the opposite effect of what was intended. I wondered how this mechanism might have evolved. Of course ALL psychological processes evolved- there is no alternative (creationist psychology anyone?). The only interesting question is HOW each process evolved- ie as a direct adaptation or as a by-product of adaption on some other process/es.
Food prohibitions are intriguing. By-products of cultural in-group cohesion taboos? Ways to control the young through stopping uncontrolled fraternisation? Tracking local pathogens? All of these (and more besides) are testable hypotheses. Check out Dan Fessler’s site if you are interested. A typical paper is this one:
http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/anthro/faculty/fessler
/pubs/MeatIsGoodToTaboo.pdf

]]> By: Didac http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/12/22/head/comment-page-1/#comment-160627 Didac Fri, 25 Dec 2009 19:01:08 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/?p=1075#comment-160627 Stonyground is very right. In Moses' times, rewards were payed on Earth, either in your personal life or in the lives of your descendants. Saduceans were sure that this vision reflects that Moses did not believe in an "active" after-life. The original after-life is merely the life of your descendants (i.e. personal descendants or descendants of your own nation). Individualism forced a change to a personal after-life and a reward in Heaven. That was also needed in order to cope with the injustices in our "material" world. Stonyground is very right. In Moses’ times, rewards were payed on Earth, either in your personal life or in the lives of your descendants. Saduceans were sure that this vision reflects that Moses did not believe in an “active” after-life. The original after-life is merely the life of your descendants (i.e. personal descendants or descendants of your own nation). Individualism forced a change to a personal after-life and a reward in Heaven. That was also needed in order to cope with the injustices in our “material” world.

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