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		<title>By: andrea</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/11/06/beset/comment-page-1/#comment-157965</link>
		<dc:creator>andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daoloth, that reminds me of a letter I saw in Metro the other week which said something like - if the bible contained a deity-based version of why we stick to the ground rather than float about then we&#039;d be debating the theory of gravity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daoloth, that reminds me of a letter I saw in Metro the other week which said something like &#8211; if the bible contained a deity-based version of why we stick to the ground rather than float about then we&#8217;d be debating the theory of gravity.</p>
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		<title>By: Daoloth</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/11/06/beset/comment-page-1/#comment-157960</link>
		<dc:creator>Daoloth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t worry. Problem solved: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/biology_evolution/article6905259.ece
It&#039;s all that bastard Darwin&#039;s fault for inventing evolution. While we are about it isn&#039;t it time that Newton was criticised for inventing gravity and making me fall over and sprain my ankle. When will these boffins ever learn eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t worry. Problem solved: <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/biology_evolution/article6905259.ece" rel="nofollow">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/biology_evolution/article6905259.ece</a><br />
It&#8217;s all that bastard Darwin&#8217;s fault for inventing evolution. While we are about it isn&#8217;t it time that Newton was criticised for inventing gravity and making me fall over and sprain my ankle. When will these boffins ever learn eh?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgive me for saying the obvious, but this was a very craven attack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgive me for saying the obvious, but this was a very craven attack.</p>
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		<title>By: Toast in the machine</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/11/06/beset/comment-page-1/#comment-157953</link>
		<dc:creator>Toast in the machine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect Jack Mackerel was being sarcastic. It&#039;s ironic then that he is actually, essentially correct. From &#039;Letter to a Christian Nation&#039; by Sam Harris:

&#039;&lt;i&gt;While political party affiliation in the US is not a perfect indicator of religiosity, it is no secret that the ‘red states’ are primarily red because of the overwhelming political influence of conservative Christians. If  there were a strong correlation between Christian conservatism and societal health, we might expect to see some sign of it in red-state America . We don’t. Of the 25 cities with the lowest rates of violent crime, 62% are in ‘blue’ states and 38% are in ‘red’ states. Of the 25 most dangerous cities, 76% are in red states, 24% in blue states. In fact, 3 of the 5 most dangerous cities in the US are in the pious state of Texas. The 12 states with the highest rates of burglary are red. 24 of the 29 states with the highest rates of theft are red. Of the 22 states with the highest rates of murder, 17 are red.

Of course, correlational data of this sort do not resolve questions of causality – belief in God may lead to societal dysfunction; societal dysfunction may foster a belief in God; each factor may enable the other; or both may spring from some deeper source of mischief. Leaving aside the issue of cause and effect, however, these statistics prove that atheism is compatible with the basic aspirations of a civil society; they also prove, conclusively, that widespread belief in God does not ensure a society’s health.&lt;/i&gt;&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect Jack Mackerel was being sarcastic. It&#8217;s ironic then that he is actually, essentially correct. From &#8216;Letter to a Christian Nation&#8217; by Sam Harris:</p>
<p>&#8216;<i>While political party affiliation in the US is not a perfect indicator of religiosity, it is no secret that the ‘red states’ are primarily red because of the overwhelming political influence of conservative Christians. If  there were a strong correlation between Christian conservatism and societal health, we might expect to see some sign of it in red-state America . We don’t. Of the 25 cities with the lowest rates of violent crime, 62% are in ‘blue’ states and 38% are in ‘red’ states. Of the 25 most dangerous cities, 76% are in red states, 24% in blue states. In fact, 3 of the 5 most dangerous cities in the US are in the pious state of Texas. The 12 states with the highest rates of burglary are red. 24 of the 29 states with the highest rates of theft are red. Of the 22 states with the highest rates of murder, 17 are red.</p>
<p>Of course, correlational data of this sort do not resolve questions of causality – belief in God may lead to societal dysfunction; societal dysfunction may foster a belief in God; each factor may enable the other; or both may spring from some deeper source of mischief. Leaving aside the issue of cause and effect, however, these statistics prove that atheism is compatible with the basic aspirations of a civil society; they also prove, conclusively, that widespread belief in God does not ensure a society’s health.</i>&#8216;</p>
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		<title>By: Evidenceonly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evidenceonly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, if you haven&#039;t read The End Of Faith get a copy tomorrow.  I would also recommend A letter to a Christian Nation by the same author.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, if you haven&#8217;t read The End Of Faith get a copy tomorrow.  I would also recommend A letter to a Christian Nation by the same author.</p>
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		<title>By: Evidenceonly</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/11/06/beset/comment-page-1/#comment-157948</link>
		<dc:creator>Evidenceonly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hobbes&#039; &quot;When I told her I was an atheist, she asked me why. I gave her a respectful, reasoned explanation, which included the theological arguments that convinced me my early, learned beliefs had to be wrong. She became agitated and decided my explanation was an attack on her beliefs.&quot;  

I had a similar experience a few weeks ago;  Was asked which book I had in my hand by a barmaid (was having a quick pint before getting on the train - I don&#039;t take books into the pub as a general rule).  When I told her it was The End Of Faith by Sam Harris and what it was about she got VERY angry, told me to &quot;go and read the fucking Koran&quot; and that I would end up in hell for all eternity!  This was a muslim working on a Friday serving alcohol to people!!!!!  The most galling thing about the whole episode is that she didn&#039;t even ask if I agreed with Harris&#039; sentiments (I do) before she lauched her tirade!  These people wonder why they are ridiculed by the rationally minded?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hobbes&#8217; &#8220;When I told her I was an atheist, she asked me why. I gave her a respectful, reasoned explanation, which included the theological arguments that convinced me my early, learned beliefs had to be wrong. She became agitated and decided my explanation was an attack on her beliefs.&#8221;  </p>
<p>I had a similar experience a few weeks ago;  Was asked which book I had in my hand by a barmaid (was having a quick pint before getting on the train &#8211; I don&#8217;t take books into the pub as a general rule).  When I told her it was The End Of Faith by Sam Harris and what it was about she got VERY angry, told me to &#8220;go and read the fucking Koran&#8221; and that I would end up in hell for all eternity!  This was a muslim working on a Friday serving alcohol to people!!!!!  The most galling thing about the whole episode is that she didn&#8217;t even ask if I agreed with Harris&#8217; sentiments (I do) before she lauched her tirade!  These people wonder why they are ridiculed by the rationally minded?</p>
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		<title>By: Hobbes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hobbes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ya got that right, nina. It gets my hair all up in a frazzle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya got that right, nina. It gets my hair all up in a frazzle.</p>
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		<title>By: nina</title>
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		<dc:creator>nina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hobbes

funny how we&#039;re the evil ones, when we&#039;re not the ones making the snap judgments about moral character based on a very limited description of a person, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hobbes</p>
<p>funny how we&#8217;re the evil ones, when we&#8217;re not the ones making the snap judgments about moral character based on a very limited description of a person, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: John Moore</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/11/06/beset/comment-page-1/#comment-157933</link>
		<dc:creator>John Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Waiting to see what Author does with the Ft. Hood story.  Awaiting his genious....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Waiting to see what Author does with the Ft. Hood story.  Awaiting his genious&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Hobbes</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/11/06/beset/comment-page-1/#comment-157924</link>
		<dc:creator>Hobbes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 13:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suido, thanks for the link. It reminded me of a conversation I had with a coworker a few weeks ago. We got on quite will until she asked me what is my religion. When I told her I was an atheist, she asked me why. I gave her a respectful, reasoned explanation, which included the theological arguments that convinced me my early, learned beliefs had to be wrong. She became agitated and decided my explanation was an attack on her beliefs. She said that since I was a nonbeliever, I was an evil person. When I suggested that her view was irrational, and explained why, she became angry. So much for rational theism (or, is that an oxymoron?).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suido, thanks for the link. It reminded me of a conversation I had with a coworker a few weeks ago. We got on quite will until she asked me what is my religion. When I told her I was an atheist, she asked me why. I gave her a respectful, reasoned explanation, which included the theological arguments that convinced me my early, learned beliefs had to be wrong. She became agitated and decided my explanation was an attack on her beliefs. She said that since I was a nonbeliever, I was an evil person. When I suggested that her view was irrational, and explained why, she became angry. So much for rational theism (or, is that an oxymoron?).</p>
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		<title>By: Suido</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suido</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 06:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fortunately, it&#039;s not all bad news from down under... here&#039;s a reply that was published by the same news outlet two days later:

http://www.watoday.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/the-new-crybaby-theists-20091105-hyyc.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fortunately, it&#8217;s not all bad news from down under&#8230; here&#8217;s a reply that was published by the same news outlet two days later:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.watoday.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/the-new-crybaby-theists-20091105-hyyc.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.watoday.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/the-new-crybaby-theists-20091105-hyyc.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jack Mackerel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Mackerel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hobbes - I guess that&#039;s why fifty percent of my city has all its stabbings perpetrated by the churches around here! Damn bastards, they&#039;re just as bad as that GOP party! Killing children daily, how shameful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hobbes &#8211; I guess that&#8217;s why fifty percent of my city has all its stabbings perpetrated by the churches around here! Damn bastards, they&#8217;re just as bad as that GOP party! Killing children daily, how shameful.</p>
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		<title>By: Hobbes</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/11/06/beset/comment-page-1/#comment-157901</link>
		<dc:creator>Hobbes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 22:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Mateo-Argentino, if all else fails, you can always abduct a communion wafer and hold it hostage until the Pope excommunicates you.

Wafer abduction seems to cause them to break out in little butt holes and poop all over themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Mateo-Argentino, if all else fails, you can always abduct a communion wafer and hold it hostage until the Pope excommunicates you.</p>
<p>Wafer abduction seems to cause them to break out in little butt holes and poop all over themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: grouchy-one</title>
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		<dc:creator>grouchy-one</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mateo-Argentino - thought you might like this...
http://www.inebriateddiscourse.com/2009/09/jesus-could-ball-but-he-was-no-messiah.html
A great description on how easy it can be to become certifiably non-catholic :-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mateo-Argentino &#8211; thought you might like this&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.inebriateddiscourse.com/2009/09/jesus-could-ball-but-he-was-no-messiah.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.inebriateddiscourse.com/2009/09/jesus-could-ball-but-he-was-no-messiah.html</a><br />
A great description on how easy it can be to become certifiably non-catholic <img src='http://www.jesusandmo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Morgan</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/11/06/beset/comment-page-1/#comment-157886</link>
		<dc:creator>Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great stuff. Will keep reading. Might even pick me up one of them mugs. I live with my girlfriend who is... religious.. and it would be great to set down in front of her quietly and oh so random.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great stuff. Will keep reading. Might even pick me up one of them mugs. I live with my girlfriend who is&#8230; religious.. and it would be great to set down in front of her quietly and oh so random.</p>
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		<title>By: Hobbes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hobbes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 13:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does the cat remind me of Bill-the-Cat?

Mateo-Argentino, you shouldn&#039;t be depressed or even concerned. You are a free-thinker and not the victim of religious inculcation. You have no genetic connection to the church. Tell your taunters that you have self-excommunicated yourself and vaulted the walls of monomaniacal superstition. Your mind is now free-ranging. 

If you are interested, my own evolution from religion I have placed on my back-water blog at http://earthsshadow.blogspot.com/, entitled &quot;The Renaissance of My Life.&quot; 4th entry from the bottom of the page.

You can find many folks like yourself at http://exchristian.net/testimonies/ .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does the cat remind me of Bill-the-Cat?</p>
<p>Mateo-Argentino, you shouldn&#8217;t be depressed or even concerned. You are a free-thinker and not the victim of religious inculcation. You have no genetic connection to the church. Tell your taunters that you have self-excommunicated yourself and vaulted the walls of monomaniacal superstition. Your mind is now free-ranging. </p>
<p>If you are interested, my own evolution from religion I have placed on my back-water blog at <a href="http://earthsshadow.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://earthsshadow.blogspot.com/</a>, entitled &#8220;The Renaissance of My Life.&#8221; 4th entry from the bottom of the page.</p>
<p>You can find many folks like yourself at <a href="http://exchristian.net/testimonies/" rel="nofollow">http://exchristian.net/testimonies/</a> .</p>
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		<title>By: nina</title>
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		<dc:creator>nina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey  Crusader Rabid, get some manners</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey  Crusader Rabid, get some manners</p>
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		<title>By: MyCatIsGod</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/11/06/beset/comment-page-1/#comment-157862</link>
		<dc:creator>MyCatIsGod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like Achilleus</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Achilleus</p>
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		<title>By: MyCatIsGod</title>
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		<dc:creator>MyCatIsGod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My Cat - great fur. God-like, in fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My Cat &#8211; great fur. God-like, in fact.</p>
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		<title>By: Mateo-Argentino</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/11/06/beset/comment-page-1/#comment-157860</link>
		<dc:creator>Mateo-Argentino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a very funny/depressing thing that happended to me (true stroy):

Ive been told that &quot;Im a catholic wether I like it or not&quot; TWICE, wth???

first person: &quot;you took the communion, therefore, you are catholic&quot;...I took the communion when I was 12, I &quot;converted&quot; at 14...I was the first atheist I &quot;met&quot;. 

Second preson: The catholic church accepts everyone, wheter the like it or not...(so I guess no one is going to hell...)

what do i have to do, go to the vatican and ask the pope to excomulgate me???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very funny/depressing thing that happended to me (true stroy):</p>
<p>Ive been told that &#8220;Im a catholic wether I like it or not&#8221; TWICE, wth???</p>
<p>first person: &#8220;you took the communion, therefore, you are catholic&#8221;&#8230;I took the communion when I was 12, I &#8220;converted&#8221; at 14&#8230;I was the first atheist I &#8220;met&#8221;. </p>
<p>Second preson: The catholic church accepts everyone, wheter the like it or not&#8230;(so I guess no one is going to hell&#8230;)</p>
<p>what do i have to do, go to the vatican and ask the pope to excomulgate me???</p>
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