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	<description>Two prophets, living together.</description>
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		<title>By: fenchurch</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/11/03/minor/#comment-175463</link>
		<dc:creator>fenchurch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 22:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand how theists can come on this site, level insults and ridiculous assertions at us, quote from their boring old books, and expect anything useful to come of that.

There is nothing appealing about their worldview or their character that is worth emulating.  

The very idea of replacing the wonders of our universe with Bronze Age ignorance, the tolerance and progress of our times with the bigotry of centuries ago, and useful debate with dogmatic parrot squawks is such a regression of intellect and human achievement, I wonder why they bother.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand how theists can come on this site, level insults and ridiculous assertions at us, quote from their boring old books, and expect anything useful to come of that.</p>
<p>There is nothing appealing about their worldview or their character that is worth emulating.  </p>
<p>The very idea of replacing the wonders of our universe with Bronze Age ignorance, the tolerance and progress of our times with the bigotry of centuries ago, and useful debate with dogmatic parrot squawks is such a regression of intellect and human achievement, I wonder why they bother.</p>
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		<title>By: Jewish Atheist</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/11/03/minor/#comment-174100</link>
		<dc:creator>Jewish Atheist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 01:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shouldn&#039;t it be we&#039;ve got nothing to worry about instead of we?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shouldn&#8217;t it be we&#8217;ve got nothing to worry about instead of we?</p>
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		<title>By: Jewish Atheist</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/11/03/minor/#comment-174099</link>
		<dc:creator>Jewish Atheist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 01:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is Jesus sweating?  Does he have something to worry about too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is Jesus sweating?  Does he have something to worry about too?</p>
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		<title>By: Toast in the machine</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/11/03/minor/#comment-157884</link>
		<dc:creator>Toast in the machine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s hardly surprising that the parliamentarians who abolished slavery were christian, when they would have been persecuted and tortured had they admitted to being anything else.

Blasphemy against christianity was a crime in England until last year. In Scotland, open atheism carried the death penalty until 1825, and John Gott served 9 months hard labour in England for blasphemy as recently as 1921. 

Your reference to James I is bizarre and nonsensical - he explicitly believed that monarchs were a higher kind of being than ordinary people, and published this in &#039;The True Law of Free Monarchies&#039;.

Abolition of the slave trade was a widespread movement that certainly did not depend on christianity. The Haitian Revolution was in fact led by a Voodoo priest, and the most vocal European opposition came from Enlightenment thinkers, Diderot, Voltaire and of course Thomas Paine - all of whom were famously critical of christianity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hardly surprising that the parliamentarians who abolished slavery were christian, when they would have been persecuted and tortured had they admitted to being anything else.</p>
<p>Blasphemy against christianity was a crime in England until last year. In Scotland, open atheism carried the death penalty until 1825, and John Gott served 9 months hard labour in England for blasphemy as recently as 1921. </p>
<p>Your reference to James I is bizarre and nonsensical &#8211; he explicitly believed that monarchs were a higher kind of being than ordinary people, and published this in &#8216;The True Law of Free Monarchies&#8217;.</p>
<p>Abolition of the slave trade was a widespread movement that certainly did not depend on christianity. The Haitian Revolution was in fact led by a Voodoo priest, and the most vocal European opposition came from Enlightenment thinkers, Diderot, Voltaire and of course Thomas Paine &#8211; all of whom were famously critical of christianity.</p>
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		<title>By: Crusader Rabid</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/11/03/minor/#comment-157855</link>
		<dc:creator>Crusader Rabid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MCIG: not arguing with your facts, but I see a link this way:

James Vl of Scotland (&amp; 1st of England) wanted to put the bible in the hands of ordinary folk, so he commissioned the Authorised version which became known as the King James Bible. Less than 200 years later, English monarchs had lost the ‘divine right of kings’ as enjoyed by James himself, and Christian parliamentarians had legislation passed that effectively ended the slave trade. The will of the people in a Christian country had prevailed, not Christian dictators.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MCIG: not arguing with your facts, but I see a link this way:</p>
<p>James Vl of Scotland (&amp; 1st of England) wanted to put the bible in the hands of ordinary folk, so he commissioned the Authorised version which became known as the King James Bible. Less than 200 years later, English monarchs had lost the ‘divine right of kings’ as enjoyed by James himself, and Christian parliamentarians had legislation passed that effectively ended the slave trade. The will of the people in a Christian country had prevailed, not Christian dictators.</p>
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		<title>By: MyCatIsGod</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/11/03/minor/#comment-157844</link>
		<dc:creator>MyCatIsGod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 12:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to add to what Stonyground said, the development of Democracy in Classical Athens pre-dates the supposed birth of Christ by 400 - 700 years.

In fact, by the time Christianity became a religion (actually a rather bizarre cult of Judaism at that time) in 100 - 200 AD, all vestiges of democracy in Greece and Rome had long-since vanished. Christianity was born in a world of dictatorships.

Christianity out-grew its cult status in the West by being spread through Europe following Emperor Constantine&#039;s conversion in the 4th Century CE. Constantine was, of course, a dictator (the word Emperor gives it away...) and certainly no lover of democracy.

So no link between democracy and Christianity there, I&#039;m afraid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to add to what Stonyground said, the development of Democracy in Classical Athens pre-dates the supposed birth of Christ by 400 &#8211; 700 years.</p>
<p>In fact, by the time Christianity became a religion (actually a rather bizarre cult of Judaism at that time) in 100 &#8211; 200 AD, all vestiges of democracy in Greece and Rome had long-since vanished. Christianity was born in a world of dictatorships.</p>
<p>Christianity out-grew its cult status in the West by being spread through Europe following Emperor Constantine&#8217;s conversion in the 4th Century CE. Constantine was, of course, a dictator (the word Emperor gives it away&#8230;) and certainly no lover of democracy.</p>
<p>So no link between democracy and Christianity there, I&#8217;m afraid.</p>
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		<title>By: Stonyground</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/11/03/minor/#comment-157842</link>
		<dc:creator>Stonyground</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 11:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The statement that Wilberforce was a Christian is moot because at the time only Anglicans were allowed to sit in Parliament so he would have to be.

The idea that Christianity was responsible for the rise of democracy in Europe is so absurd it is laughable, in the US even more so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The statement that Wilberforce was a Christian is moot because at the time only Anglicans were allowed to sit in Parliament so he would have to be.</p>
<p>The idea that Christianity was responsible for the rise of democracy in Europe is so absurd it is laughable, in the US even more so.</p>
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		<title>By: Crusader Rabid</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/11/03/minor/#comment-157826</link>
		<dc:creator>Crusader Rabid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 01:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Steve in MI. You have already done nearly half the job for me, and God bless your great^n aunt! One of my ancestors (an Anglican minister) was an abolitionist in Southampton during the early 19th century. Wilberforce himself was also a Christian. As for slave owners who claimed to be followers of Christ: they should have read Galations 5:1 (in conjunction with Matthew 28:19), just as pedophile priests should heed Matthew 18:6.

Many of the early Christians were Greek (Luke for eg.). The idea of Democracy began in ancient Greece, and probably spread throughout Europe along with Christianity, though it took quite a while for these ideas to blossom into the Freedom &amp; Democracy that exist in parts of the world today. And yeah, they have only been around for a brief moment, and are under constant threat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Steve in MI. You have already done nearly half the job for me, and God bless your great^n aunt! One of my ancestors (an Anglican minister) was an abolitionist in Southampton during the early 19th century. Wilberforce himself was also a Christian. As for slave owners who claimed to be followers of Christ: they should have read Galations 5:1 (in conjunction with Matthew 28:19), just as pedophile priests should heed Matthew 18:6.</p>
<p>Many of the early Christians were Greek (Luke for eg.). The idea of Democracy began in ancient Greece, and probably spread throughout Europe along with Christianity, though it took quite a while for these ideas to blossom into the Freedom &amp; Democracy that exist in parts of the world today. And yeah, they have only been around for a brief moment, and are under constant threat.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Alexander</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/11/03/minor/#comment-157812</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 20:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Author, I think Xenu would make a wonderful addition to the cast. Don&#039;t know what he looks like? Just drop some acid while reading Dianetics, it&#039;ll come to you.

Btw, I never want to see the barmaid, I have a perfect mental picture of her, it gives me the horn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Author, I think Xenu would make a wonderful addition to the cast. Don&#8217;t know what he looks like? Just drop some acid while reading Dianetics, it&#8217;ll come to you.</p>
<p>Btw, I never want to see the barmaid, I have a perfect mental picture of her, it gives me the horn.</p>
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		<title>By: Brother Daniel</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/11/03/minor/#comment-157804</link>
		<dc:creator>Brother Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, the name &quot;Sons of Thunder&quot; is a reference to the nickname Jesus allegedly gave to the apostles James and John.  Nothing to do with Thor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, the name &#8220;Sons of Thunder&#8221; is a reference to the nickname Jesus allegedly gave to the apostles James and John.  Nothing to do with Thor.</p>
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