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		<title>By: Toast in the machine</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/11/03/minor/comment-page-1/#comment-157884</link>
		<dc:creator>Toast in the machine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s hardly surprising that the parliamentarians who abolished slavery were christian, when they would have been persecuted and tortured had they admitted to being anything else.

Blasphemy against christianity was a crime in England until last year. In Scotland, open atheism carried the death penalty until 1825, and John Gott served 9 months hard labour in England for blasphemy as recently as 1921. 

Your reference to James I is bizarre and nonsensical - he explicitly believed that monarchs were a higher kind of being than ordinary people, and published this in &#039;The True Law of Free Monarchies&#039;.

Abolition of the slave trade was a widespread movement that certainly did not depend on christianity. The Haitian Revolution was in fact led by a Voodoo priest, and the most vocal European opposition came from Enlightenment thinkers, Diderot, Voltaire and of course Thomas Paine - all of whom were famously critical of christianity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hardly surprising that the parliamentarians who abolished slavery were christian, when they would have been persecuted and tortured had they admitted to being anything else.</p>
<p>Blasphemy against christianity was a crime in England until last year. In Scotland, open atheism carried the death penalty until 1825, and John Gott served 9 months hard labour in England for blasphemy as recently as 1921. </p>
<p>Your reference to James I is bizarre and nonsensical &#8211; he explicitly believed that monarchs were a higher kind of being than ordinary people, and published this in &#8216;The True Law of Free Monarchies&#8217;.</p>
<p>Abolition of the slave trade was a widespread movement that certainly did not depend on christianity. The Haitian Revolution was in fact led by a Voodoo priest, and the most vocal European opposition came from Enlightenment thinkers, Diderot, Voltaire and of course Thomas Paine &#8211; all of whom were famously critical of christianity.</p>
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		<title>By: Crusader Rabid</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/11/03/minor/comment-page-1/#comment-157855</link>
		<dc:creator>Crusader Rabid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MCIG: not arguing with your facts, but I see a link this way:</p>
<p>James Vl of Scotland (&amp; 1st of England) wanted to put the bible in the hands of ordinary folk, so he commissioned the Authorised version which became known as the King James Bible. Less than 200 years later, English monarchs had lost the ‘divine right of kings’ as enjoyed by James himself, and Christian parliamentarians had legislation passed that effectively ended the slave trade. The will of the people in a Christian country had prevailed, not Christian dictators.</p>
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		<title>By: MyCatIsGod</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/11/03/minor/comment-page-1/#comment-157844</link>
		<dc:creator>MyCatIsGod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 12:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to add to what Stonyground said, the development of Democracy in Classical Athens pre-dates the supposed birth of Christ by 400 - 700 years.

In fact, by the time Christianity became a religion (actually a rather bizarre cult of Judaism at that time) in 100 - 200 AD, all vestiges of democracy in Greece and Rome had long-since vanished. Christianity was born in a world of dictatorships.

Christianity out-grew its cult status in the West by being spread through Europe following Emperor Constantine&#039;s conversion in the 4th Century CE. Constantine was, of course, a dictator (the word Emperor gives it away...) and certainly no lover of democracy.

So no link between democracy and Christianity there, I&#039;m afraid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to add to what Stonyground said, the development of Democracy in Classical Athens pre-dates the supposed birth of Christ by 400 &#8211; 700 years.</p>
<p>In fact, by the time Christianity became a religion (actually a rather bizarre cult of Judaism at that time) in 100 &#8211; 200 AD, all vestiges of democracy in Greece and Rome had long-since vanished. Christianity was born in a world of dictatorships.</p>
<p>Christianity out-grew its cult status in the West by being spread through Europe following Emperor Constantine&#8217;s conversion in the 4th Century CE. Constantine was, of course, a dictator (the word Emperor gives it away&#8230;) and certainly no lover of democracy.</p>
<p>So no link between democracy and Christianity there, I&#8217;m afraid.</p>
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		<title>By: Stonyground</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/11/03/minor/comment-page-1/#comment-157842</link>
		<dc:creator>Stonyground</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 11:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The statement that Wilberforce was a Christian is moot because at the time only Anglicans were allowed to sit in Parliament so he would have to be.

The idea that Christianity was responsible for the rise of democracy in Europe is so absurd it is laughable, in the US even more so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The statement that Wilberforce was a Christian is moot because at the time only Anglicans were allowed to sit in Parliament so he would have to be.</p>
<p>The idea that Christianity was responsible for the rise of democracy in Europe is so absurd it is laughable, in the US even more so.</p>
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		<title>By: Crusader Rabid</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/11/03/minor/comment-page-1/#comment-157826</link>
		<dc:creator>Crusader Rabid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 01:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Steve in MI. You have already done nearly half the job for me, and God bless your great^n aunt! One of my ancestors (an Anglican minister) was an abolitionist in Southampton during the early 19th century. Wilberforce himself was also a Christian. As for slave owners who claimed to be followers of Christ: they should have read Galations 5:1 (in conjunction with Matthew 28:19), just as pedophile priests should heed Matthew 18:6.

Many of the early Christians were Greek (Luke for eg.). The idea of Democracy began in ancient Greece, and probably spread throughout Europe along with Christianity, though it took quite a while for these ideas to blossom into the Freedom &amp; Democracy that exist in parts of the world today. And yeah, they have only been around for a brief moment, and are under constant threat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Steve in MI. You have already done nearly half the job for me, and God bless your great^n aunt! One of my ancestors (an Anglican minister) was an abolitionist in Southampton during the early 19th century. Wilberforce himself was also a Christian. As for slave owners who claimed to be followers of Christ: they should have read Galations 5:1 (in conjunction with Matthew 28:19), just as pedophile priests should heed Matthew 18:6.</p>
<p>Many of the early Christians were Greek (Luke for eg.). The idea of Democracy began in ancient Greece, and probably spread throughout Europe along with Christianity, though it took quite a while for these ideas to blossom into the Freedom &amp; Democracy that exist in parts of the world today. And yeah, they have only been around for a brief moment, and are under constant threat.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Alexander</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/11/03/minor/comment-page-1/#comment-157812</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 20:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Author, I think Xenu would make a wonderful addition to the cast. Don&#039;t know what he looks like? Just drop some acid while reading Dianetics, it&#039;ll come to you.

Btw, I never want to see the barmaid, I have a perfect mental picture of her, it gives me the horn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Author, I think Xenu would make a wonderful addition to the cast. Don&#8217;t know what he looks like? Just drop some acid while reading Dianetics, it&#8217;ll come to you.</p>
<p>Btw, I never want to see the barmaid, I have a perfect mental picture of her, it gives me the horn.</p>
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		<title>By: Brother Daniel</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/11/03/minor/comment-page-1/#comment-157804</link>
		<dc:creator>Brother Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, the name &quot;Sons of Thunder&quot; is a reference to the nickname Jesus allegedly gave to the apostles James and John.  Nothing to do with Thor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, the name &#8220;Sons of Thunder&#8221; is a reference to the nickname Jesus allegedly gave to the apostles James and John.  Nothing to do with Thor.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve in MI</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/11/03/minor/comment-page-1/#comment-157793</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve in MI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Crusader Rabid: please, please, PLEASE stop back and cite the many examples of Xtian dominance causing Freedom(tm) and Democracy(tm).  

Don&#039;t forget, there are some disqualifiers.  Here&#039;s an example: my great^n aunt was driven by her religious fervor to sneak in to the antebellum (U.S.) South and help escaping slaves reach freedom in Canada.  Her faith was so strong that she continued her work even after the Southern slave owners put a substantial price on her head.  Freedom(tm) and Democracy(tm) through Xtian faith, right?  Only if you overlook the small but relevant fact that the slave owners / fugitive hunters who *put* the price on her head were also ardent Xtian believers.

But please, give it your best shot.  It could be a slow day otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Crusader Rabid: please, please, PLEASE stop back and cite the many examples of Xtian dominance causing Freedom(tm) and Democracy(tm).  </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t forget, there are some disqualifiers.  Here&#8217;s an example: my great^n aunt was driven by her religious fervor to sneak in to the antebellum (U.S.) South and help escaping slaves reach freedom in Canada.  Her faith was so strong that she continued her work even after the Southern slave owners put a substantial price on her head.  Freedom(tm) and Democracy(tm) through Xtian faith, right?  Only if you overlook the small but relevant fact that the slave owners / fugitive hunters who *put* the price on her head were also ardent Xtian believers.</p>
<p>But please, give it your best shot.  It could be a slow day otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Allan</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/11/03/minor/comment-page-1/#comment-157789</link>
		<dc:creator>Allan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sons of Thunder means it all right - just look at the website he links to with its report of John Lennon being sighted in hell, amongst other... well, let&#039;s just call it bullshit, shall we?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sons of Thunder means it all right &#8211; just look at the website he links to with its report of John Lennon being sighted in hell, amongst other&#8230; well, let&#8217;s just call it bullshit, shall we?</p>
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		<title>By: MyCatIsGod</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/11/03/minor/comment-page-1/#comment-157780</link>
		<dc:creator>MyCatIsGod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hullo, Crusader. Lovely to have you back :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hullo, Crusader. Lovely to have you back <img src='http://www.jesusandmo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Beggars Belief</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/11/03/minor/comment-page-1/#comment-157779</link>
		<dc:creator>Beggars Belief</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you + are = you&#039;re</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you + are = you&#8217;re</p>
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		<title>By: Crusader Rabid</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/11/03/minor/comment-page-1/#comment-157777</link>
		<dc:creator>Crusader Rabid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 09:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello again, cat-worshippers, homophobic terrorists and other hypocrites. Hey, what&#039;s happening in J&amp;M fantasy-land? Oh, I see we&#039;re still pretending Islam &amp; Christianity are in bed together...what a hoot! Way to Resist The Jihad, author; if only Charles Martel, Urban ll &amp; Jan Sobieski had seen the same equivalence in their own beliefs and those of the invading hordes, we would not have had to wait all these centuries for the Islamification of Europe. And Sharia Law can&#039;t be any worse than the Freedom &amp; Democracy wrought by oppressive Christian dominance...unless your a cartoonist, or a homosexual, or a barmaid or a non-Muslim..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello again, cat-worshippers, homophobic terrorists and other hypocrites. Hey, what&#8217;s happening in J&amp;M fantasy-land? Oh, I see we&#8217;re still pretending Islam &amp; Christianity are in bed together&#8230;what a hoot! Way to Resist The Jihad, author; if only Charles Martel, Urban ll &amp; Jan Sobieski had seen the same equivalence in their own beliefs and those of the invading hordes, we would not have had to wait all these centuries for the Islamification of Europe. And Sharia Law can&#8217;t be any worse than the Freedom &amp; Democracy wrought by oppressive Christian dominance&#8230;unless your a cartoonist, or a homosexual, or a barmaid or a non-Muslim..</p>
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		<title>By: Ophelia Benson</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/11/03/minor/comment-page-1/#comment-157745</link>
		<dc:creator>Ophelia Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No no no don&#039;t worry, Mo - Karen Armstrong says you waited until Aisha was past puberty. Scholars aren&#039;t so sure about that, but Karen Armstrong is way confident, so don&#039;t you worry. It&#039;s going to be alllllllllllll right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No no no don&#8217;t worry, Mo &#8211; Karen Armstrong says you waited until Aisha was past puberty. Scholars aren&#8217;t so sure about that, but Karen Armstrong is way confident, so don&#8217;t you worry. It&#8217;s going to be alllllllllllll right.</p>
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		<title>By: Toast in the machine</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/11/03/minor/comment-page-1/#comment-157744</link>
		<dc:creator>Toast in the machine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... estate agents? Blasphemy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; estate agents? Blasphemy!</p>
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		<title>By: nina</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/11/03/minor/comment-page-1/#comment-157742</link>
		<dc:creator>nina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Worship Elvis 

First you need to determine which faction of the Memphis Mafia you want to follow - is it the Red &amp; Sony West faction (brutal honesty outsiders), the Jerry Schilling/Joe Esposito (Party Line insiders, change the stories as needed) faction or the Lamar Fike/Marty Lacker (explotive/opportunistic) faction or the Dick Grob/ Charlie Hodge (conspiracies galore) faction or some other random minor player like distant cousins or the mysterious  close but silent ones


If you don&#039;t want to fall into one of the major breakawy groups, you can simply buy all the Elvis movies and music, copy Elvis&#039; look as best as you can in your gender limitations, give generously to charities,  be generous in spirit and support of your family and friends (even undeserving ones), express your creativity, and while there&#039;s a need to indulge yourself, there&#039;s the cautionary tale of not to excess

You should have some time of shrine in your home - as simple as a poster on the wall near a bookcase with your collection of cds, dvds and books - more devoted may have an entire room to house their collection of artifacts</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Worship Elvis </p>
<p>First you need to determine which faction of the Memphis Mafia you want to follow &#8211; is it the Red &amp; Sony West faction (brutal honesty outsiders), the Jerry Schilling/Joe Esposito (Party Line insiders, change the stories as needed) faction or the Lamar Fike/Marty Lacker (explotive/opportunistic) faction or the Dick Grob/ Charlie Hodge (conspiracies galore) faction or some other random minor player like distant cousins or the mysterious  close but silent ones</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t want to fall into one of the major breakawy groups, you can simply buy all the Elvis movies and music, copy Elvis&#8217; look as best as you can in your gender limitations, give generously to charities,  be generous in spirit and support of your family and friends (even undeserving ones), express your creativity, and while there&#8217;s a need to indulge yourself, there&#8217;s the cautionary tale of not to excess</p>
<p>You should have some time of shrine in your home &#8211; as simple as a poster on the wall near a bookcase with your collection of cds, dvds and books &#8211; more devoted may have an entire room to house their collection of artifacts</p>
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		<title>By: MyCatIsGod</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/11/03/minor/comment-page-1/#comment-157741</link>
		<dc:creator>MyCatIsGod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Toast - in terms of common ancestry, Elvis IS in fact related to Obama. And every other human, including you, me and all of us here. And all the sheep and ladybirds and broccoli and algae and diplodocci and wooly mammoths and estate agents.

And, of course, my cat. And therefore God. Thus, we come full circle and Nina&#039;s hypothesis is proven. I shall have a cup of tea to celebrate (whilst listening to Hymn no. 374: Jailhouse Rock).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Toast &#8211; in terms of common ancestry, Elvis IS in fact related to Obama. And every other human, including you, me and all of us here. And all the sheep and ladybirds and broccoli and algae and diplodocci and wooly mammoths and estate agents.</p>
<p>And, of course, my cat. And therefore God. Thus, we come full circle and Nina&#8217;s hypothesis is proven. I shall have a cup of tea to celebrate (whilst listening to Hymn no. 374: Jailhouse Rock).</p>
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		<title>By: Toast in the machine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toast in the machine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Sons of Thunder&#039; - weren&#039;t they a spandex-trousered, poodle-permed 80s rock band? Should have been if not.

Re Elvis - I heard the other day he&#039;s also related to every American president except Obama. You&#039;ll have to work that into the holy text.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Sons of Thunder&#8217; &#8211; weren&#8217;t they a spandex-trousered, poodle-permed 80s rock band? Should have been if not.</p>
<p>Re Elvis &#8211; I heard the other day he&#8217;s also related to every American president except Obama. You&#8217;ll have to work that into the holy text.</p>
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		<title>By: Poor Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/11/03/minor/comment-page-1/#comment-157736</link>
		<dc:creator>Poor Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>His first church is being built in Kalamazoo, the Place of His Resurrection; with today&#039;s speedy electronic dispersal of information, there&#039;s no need to wait hundreds of years.  So, Big Bird, Stephen, Nina, et al, it is all here for you, and Elvis visits the coffee shops regularly.  Check in at the Michigan News, the last of the great magazine &amp; paperback stores, for the latest on our deities -- and sports heroes and movie stars and all that is holy.

As Poor Richard says,&quot;Yes, there really is a Kalamazoo!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>His first church is being built in Kalamazoo, the Place of His Resurrection; with today&#8217;s speedy electronic dispersal of information, there&#8217;s no need to wait hundreds of years.  So, Big Bird, Stephen, Nina, et al, it is all here for you, and Elvis visits the coffee shops regularly.  Check in at the Michigan News, the last of the great magazine &amp; paperback stores, for the latest on our deities &#8212; and sports heroes and movie stars and all that is holy.</p>
<p>As Poor Richard says,&#8221;Yes, there really is a Kalamazoo!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: BigBird</title>
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		<dc:creator>BigBird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elvis as deity - Haw! It&#039;s scary how well it fits... at least, how well it will fit in another few hundred years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elvis as deity &#8211; Haw! It&#8217;s scary how well it fits&#8230; at least, how well it will fit in another few hundred years.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surely Sons of Thunder is (are?) likely to be Thor--botherers rather than Xians.

Nina: well you&#039;ve convinced me about Elvis.  How do I start worshipping him?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely Sons of Thunder is (are?) likely to be Thor&#8211;botherers rather than Xians.</p>
<p>Nina: well you&#8217;ve convinced me about Elvis.  How do I start worshipping him?</p>
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