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		<title>By: LLH</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/09/04/four/comment-page-2/#comment-155298</link>
		<dc:creator>LLH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@spoing

The Christian who argued to me that Einstein believed in God backed down immediately after I mentioned what TGD said about him. (Before he criticised me for using the Argument from Authority, of course...)

It made me realize Christians can easily be dishonest if defending their religion. There&#039;s a reason there something called Lying for Jesus, isn&#039;t there? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@spoing</p>
<p>The Christian who argued to me that Einstein believed in God backed down immediately after I mentioned what TGD said about him. (Before he criticised me for using the Argument from Authority, of course&#8230;)</p>
<p>It made me realize Christians can easily be dishonest if defending their religion. There&#8217;s a reason there something called Lying for Jesus, isn&#8217;t there? <img src='http://www.jesusandmo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ophelia Benson</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/09/04/four/comment-page-2/#comment-155150</link>
		<dc:creator>Ophelia Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 17:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks author.

&quot;Both of which are a terrible shame, because the strip itself is always fantastic&quot;

Exactly. Hence my tendency to bore for Britain on the subject of &quot;huh huh huh the barmaid is hawt huh huh huh huh&quot; - I think that stuff detracts from the strip itself, and could repel people who would otherwise like it. I was on the point of abandoning it myself. The strip deserves much better than to be sabotaged by its own fans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks author.</p>
<p>&#8220;Both of which are a terrible shame, because the strip itself is always fantastic&#8221;</p>
<p>Exactly. Hence my tendency to bore for Britain on the subject of &#8220;huh huh huh the barmaid is hawt huh huh huh huh&#8221; &#8211; I think that stuff detracts from the strip itself, and could repel people who would otherwise like it. I was on the point of abandoning it myself. The strip deserves much better than to be sabotaged by its own fans.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Turner</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/09/04/four/comment-page-2/#comment-155143</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 14:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps Author could find Ten Things We Should Not Do carved on tablets of stone up some local mountain.

Obviously the list should include Exodus 23:19: 
&quot;Thou shalt not boil a kid in the milk of his dam.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps Author could find Ten Things We Should Not Do carved on tablets of stone up some local mountain.</p>
<p>Obviously the list should include Exodus 23:19:<br />
&#8220;Thou shalt not boil a kid in the milk of his dam.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: kiyaroru</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/09/04/four/comment-page-2/#comment-155142</link>
		<dc:creator>kiyaroru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 14:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>St. Author
onegaishimasu
you know
 if you just do a new J&amp;M all the kids will get distracted by the shiny new thing and then we can all move on</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>St. Author<br />
onegaishimasu<br />
you know<br />
 if you just do a new J&amp;M all the kids will get distracted by the shiny new thing and then we can all move on</p>
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		<title>By: MyCatIsGod</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/09/04/four/comment-page-2/#comment-155141</link>
		<dc:creator>MyCatIsGod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 13:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think John Moore is on to something there... I&#039;ve honestly found some of the comments over the last few months to be truly, unashamedly racist. Making fun of foolish beliefs is one thing (which I support). But the amount of Arab-bashing (for example) that goes on in the comments section is (a) a huge turn off for me, and (b) absolutely detrimental, I&#039;m sure, to how many casual visitors would view this site.

I am also a bit sick of the pondering about Barmaid&#039;s level of attractiveness, and do worry that this also could lend the site a rather juvenile (at best) and sexist (at worst) quality, especially to the uninitiated.

Both of which are a terrible shame, because the strip itself is always fantastic, and I used to enjoy the quite high-brow discussions that went on (not that I understood all the big words, but at least it was educational). I also liked the fact that all views were tolerated, and that one could be sure that there wouldn&#039;t be a rant-y backlash to anything that wasn&#039;t pulled straight out of the God Delusion (the Atheist&#039;s Bible, perhaps..? Slightly ironic, really...)

It&#039;s sad that some of the old hands who used to comment all the time appear to have moved on, or decided to keep quiet. Not heard from Poor Richard for a while, sigh...

Just my deux centimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think John Moore is on to something there&#8230; I&#8217;ve honestly found some of the comments over the last few months to be truly, unashamedly racist. Making fun of foolish beliefs is one thing (which I support). But the amount of Arab-bashing (for example) that goes on in the comments section is (a) a huge turn off for me, and (b) absolutely detrimental, I&#8217;m sure, to how many casual visitors would view this site.</p>
<p>I am also a bit sick of the pondering about Barmaid&#8217;s level of attractiveness, and do worry that this also could lend the site a rather juvenile (at best) and sexist (at worst) quality, especially to the uninitiated.</p>
<p>Both of which are a terrible shame, because the strip itself is always fantastic, and I used to enjoy the quite high-brow discussions that went on (not that I understood all the big words, but at least it was educational). I also liked the fact that all views were tolerated, and that one could be sure that there wouldn&#8217;t be a rant-y backlash to anything that wasn&#8217;t pulled straight out of the God Delusion (the Atheist&#8217;s Bible, perhaps..? Slightly ironic, really&#8230;)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s sad that some of the old hands who used to comment all the time appear to have moved on, or decided to keep quiet. Not heard from Poor Richard for a while, sigh&#8230;</p>
<p>Just my deux centimes.</p>
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		<title>By: John Moore</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/09/04/four/comment-page-2/#comment-155140</link>
		<dc:creator>John Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 12:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Author-Maybe we need a written code of ethics for this site.  I am thinking of a neat list of, oh I don&#039;t know, say ten things we should NOT do while we are being entertained by the great J&amp;M??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Author-Maybe we need a written code of ethics for this site.  I am thinking of a neat list of, oh I don&#8217;t know, say ten things we should NOT do while we are being entertained by the great J&amp;M??</p>
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		<title>By: spoing</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/09/04/four/comment-page-2/#comment-155139</link>
		<dc:creator>spoing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 11:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Author, not so. I sincerely meant what I said about being sorry to have caused offence. Though some of my protagonist&#039;s comments offended me, which is what I was trying to get across to her. 

For the record - @Ophelia: I&#039;m sorry - shall we bury the hatchet ... anywhere but  preferably not in my sexist head :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Author, not so. I sincerely meant what I said about being sorry to have caused offence. Though some of my protagonist&#8217;s comments offended me, which is what I was trying to get across to her. </p>
<p>For the record &#8211; @Ophelia: I&#8217;m sorry &#8211; shall we bury the hatchet &#8230; anywhere but  preferably not in my sexist head <img src='http://www.jesusandmo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: author</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/09/04/four/comment-page-2/#comment-155138</link>
		<dc:creator>author</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 11:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@spoing - it was a bullshit apology, and you know it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@spoing &#8211; it was a bullshit apology, and you know it.</p>
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		<title>By: spoing</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/09/04/four/comment-page-2/#comment-155137</link>
		<dc:creator>spoing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 10:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@chris - careful inspection will reveal that I already did. That REALLY got things started. Hell hath no fury I suppose. 
Anyway, I&#039;m sure Ophelia &amp; I are both happy to pass the limelight back to who it belongs - J&amp;M.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@chris &#8211; careful inspection will reveal that I already did. That REALLY got things started. Hell hath no fury I suppose.<br />
Anyway, I&#8217;m sure Ophelia &amp; I are both happy to pass the limelight back to who it belongs &#8211; J&amp;M.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/09/04/four/comment-page-2/#comment-155126</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 21:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spoing should apologise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spoing should apologise.</p>
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		<title>By: cina murtad</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/09/04/four/comment-page-1/#comment-155121</link>
		<dc:creator>cina murtad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 13:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh please ... i go to jesus and mo church web every now and then. don&#039;t use any harsh word like frack or i will not be able to visit this web due to firewall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh please &#8230; i go to jesus and mo church web every now and then. don&#8217;t use any harsh word like frack or i will not be able to visit this web due to firewall.</p>
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		<title>By: kiyaroru</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/09/04/four/comment-page-1/#comment-155120</link>
		<dc:creator>kiyaroru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 13:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes,
Thank you, Author.
Thank you
thank you thank you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes,<br />
Thank you, Author.<br />
Thank you<br />
thank you thank you</p>
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		<title>By: spoing</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/09/04/four/comment-page-1/#comment-155118</link>
		<dc:creator>spoing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 09:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks author for breaking that one up. It WAS getting rather tedious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks author for breaking that one up. It WAS getting rather tedious.</p>
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		<title>By: author</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/09/04/four/comment-page-1/#comment-155115</link>
		<dc:creator>author</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 07:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Ophelia and spoing, your conversation has been deleted from &quot;jerk&quot; downwards. If you want to exchange personal insults, please use email.

@ William - I have no problem with your Danish pings. In fact, I think they are rather cool.

@ BJ - not many by webcomic standards. This year&#039;s average is about 4,000 unique visitors per day, plus about 3,700 RSS feed subscribers. They are high-quality readers, though :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Ophelia and spoing, your conversation has been deleted from &#8220;jerk&#8221; downwards. If you want to exchange personal insults, please use email.</p>
<p>@ William &#8211; I have no problem with your Danish pings. In fact, I think they are rather cool.</p>
<p>@ BJ &#8211; not many by webcomic standards. This year&#8217;s average is about 4,000 unique visitors per day, plus about 3,700 RSS feed subscribers. They are high-quality readers, though <img src='http://www.jesusandmo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: spoing</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/09/04/four/comment-page-1/#comment-155113</link>
		<dc:creator>spoing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 05:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mr Gronk: indeed. Though I think that Einstein intuited that the symmetry and orderliness of the cosmos , together with its inscrutability (e.g. inability to reconcile quantum and classical definitions of the cosmos, inability to determine ultimate origins etc) signifies a level of complexity ultimately beyond the reach of the scientific method. There are limits to how far physicists can probe the universe at the micro and macro levels in both time and space. So perhaps there is room for &quot;god&quot; if that translates to &quot;the infinite (though surprisingly orderly and beautiful) landscape of things we don&#039;t understand about the universe and most likely never will&quot;. When we appreciate and value the beauty and wonder of the universe we find ourselves in, perhaps as atheists we are coming as close as anyone ever will to apprehending &quot;god&quot;. So perhaps true atheists are not atheists at all hehe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mr Gronk: indeed. Though I think that Einstein intuited that the symmetry and orderliness of the cosmos , together with its inscrutability (e.g. inability to reconcile quantum and classical definitions of the cosmos, inability to determine ultimate origins etc) signifies a level of complexity ultimately beyond the reach of the scientific method. There are limits to how far physicists can probe the universe at the micro and macro levels in both time and space. So perhaps there is room for &#8220;god&#8221; if that translates to &#8220;the infinite (though surprisingly orderly and beautiful) landscape of things we don&#8217;t understand about the universe and most likely never will&#8221;. When we appreciate and value the beauty and wonder of the universe we find ourselves in, perhaps as atheists we are coming as close as anyone ever will to apprehending &#8220;god&#8221;. So perhaps true atheists are not atheists at all hehe.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Gronk</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/09/04/four/comment-page-1/#comment-155111</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr Gronk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 04:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Spoing
That would make Einstein a deist, at most - sort of like an atheist who still wishes to attach the term &quot;god&quot; to something, even if it is just a metaphor for natural processes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Spoing<br />
That would make Einstein a deist, at most &#8211; sort of like an atheist who still wishes to attach the term &#8220;god&#8221; to something, even if it is just a metaphor for natural processes.</p>
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		<title>By: spoing</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/09/04/four/comment-page-1/#comment-155108</link>
		<dc:creator>spoing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 00:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@LLH - interesting that your Xtian protagonist had read &quot;The God Delusion&quot; and apparently still persisted in declaring that Einstein was a believer. 

Apparently the great man DID believe in an IMpersonal God -  &quot;I believe in Spinoza&#039;s God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings.&quot; 

I wonder how that compares with Dawkins&#039;s personal philosophy? &quot;The Selfish Gene&quot; and &quot;The Blind Watchmaker&quot;  suggest a hard-nosed materialism which leaves no room even for Spinoza&#039;s God. I only skim-read TGD, finding it to be poorly written and rather snide in tone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@LLH &#8211; interesting that your Xtian protagonist had read &#8220;The God Delusion&#8221; and apparently still persisted in declaring that Einstein was a believer. </p>
<p>Apparently the great man DID believe in an IMpersonal God &#8211;  &#8220;I believe in Spinoza&#8217;s God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings.&#8221; </p>
<p>I wonder how that compares with Dawkins&#8217;s personal philosophy? &#8220;The Selfish Gene&#8221; and &#8220;The Blind Watchmaker&#8221;  suggest a hard-nosed materialism which leaves no room even for Spinoza&#8217;s God. I only skim-read TGD, finding it to be poorly written and rather snide in tone.</p>
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		<title>By: spoing</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/09/04/four/comment-page-1/#comment-155104</link>
		<dc:creator>spoing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 21:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ophelia, apologies for rousing your righteous ire. 

Lets agree that any allegations of sexism on either my part or yours will require a slightly higher standard of evidence  than a few posts on J&amp;M can deliver. 

So I will choose to believe from here on that you&#039;re as level-headed and witty as the barmaid. Not to mention as hot as she is too :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ophelia, apologies for rousing your righteous ire. </p>
<p>Lets agree that any allegations of sexism on either my part or yours will require a slightly higher standard of evidence  than a few posts on J&amp;M can deliver. </p>
<p>So I will choose to believe from here on that you&#8217;re as level-headed and witty as the barmaid. Not to mention as hot as she is too <img src='http://www.jesusandmo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ophelia Benson</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/09/04/four/comment-page-1/#comment-155087</link>
		<dc:creator>Ophelia Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 16:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>spoing -

&quot;Yep, definitely a chip on that shoulder.&quot;

About sexist condescension? You bet -  a chip the size of a house. But guess what - the barmaid has exactly the same chip.

Here&#039;s a hint for you - if a woman is skeptical of the claims of gods, she is probably not the type to welcome sexist bullshit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>spoing -</p>
<p>&#8220;Yep, definitely a chip on that shoulder.&#8221;</p>
<p>About sexist condescension? You bet &#8211;  a chip the size of a house. But guess what &#8211; the barmaid has exactly the same chip.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a hint for you &#8211; if a woman is skeptical of the claims of gods, she is probably not the type to welcome sexist bullshit.</p>
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		<title>By: Intelligent Designer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Intelligent Designer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 13:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mateo-Argentino &quot;I love when Im talking with a christian about religion and I point out they’re resorting to logical fallacies…they look like they’ve been hit in the head or something…&quot;

Their whole religion is based on logical fallacies - they can no sooner accept reason than deny their god, since to do one is to do the other.

@Aykavil &quot;People don’t count their own kids as converts.&quot; 

Children born to Moslem parents are automatically considered Moslem. Mohammed apparently said, &quot;No babe is born but as a Muslim. It is his parents who make him a Jew or a Christian or a Polytheist.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mateo-Argentino &#8220;I love when Im talking with a christian about religion and I point out they’re resorting to logical fallacies…they look like they’ve been hit in the head or something…&#8221;</p>
<p>Their whole religion is based on logical fallacies &#8211; they can no sooner accept reason than deny their god, since to do one is to do the other.</p>
<p>@Aykavil &#8220;People don’t count their own kids as converts.&#8221; </p>
<p>Children born to Moslem parents are automatically considered Moslem. Mohammed apparently said, &#8220;No babe is born but as a Muslim. It is his parents who make him a Jew or a Christian or a Polytheist.&#8221;</p>
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