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		<title>By: Hobbes</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/06/12/gloss/comment-page-1/#comment-149702</link>
		<dc:creator>Hobbes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 23:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An example of Yahweh&#039;s love for all is the Book of Joshua (Godly ethic cleansing).</description>
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		<title>By: Intelligent Designer</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/06/12/gloss/comment-page-1/#comment-149419</link>
		<dc:creator>Intelligent Designer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 21:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You won’t escape the fact that most europeans, who convert to Islam are&#8230; women.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is not fact, yet. Even the Christian Science Monitor says the research that that conclusion is based on is &#8216;patchy&#8217; and appears to have come from the French security forces (Renseignements Généraux), already criticised by the Monde Diplomatique and the Canard Enchaîné for their exaggerated assessment of French Islamicism, if Wikipedia is to be believed.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure where you get your information about women electing left wing governments in Europe, either, and your argument about supporting immigration from Muslim countries and thereby doing harm to European women through rape and harassment from Muslims is fallacious: It is not immigration from Muslim countries specifically that is supported, just freedom to travel from any one country to another and settle (subject to quotas and other provisos). Muslims are no more likely to &#8216;rape and harass&#8217; Europeans than anyone else is: you are (perhaps deliberately) confusing illegal immigration, with its links to marginalisation and crime, with mandated immigration, which bears no such evidence of anti-social behaviour. </p>
<p>The general tone of your posts is misogynistic and offensive. I suspect you bat for the Eurabian conspiracy theorists, or some other right-wing nut-jobs, yes?</p>
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		<title>By: Ohekatos</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/06/12/gloss/comment-page-1/#comment-149310</link>
		<dc:creator>Ohekatos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 11:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I lean towards giving those right, who say that that (first of all) Islam is women-hostile and women-subduing (you get this impression by reading the Quran). But on the other side you won&#039;t escape the fact that most europeans, who convert to Islam are (guess!) women. Also, the left-wing parties of Europe, who support immigration from muslim countries and thereby doing harm to european women through rape and harasment from muslims, have mostly female electors.

So my questions to the feminists and perhaps your gender in general are; how would a woman explain, that those europeans (~women), who should really fight islam, are those most likely to support islam (women becomming the first victims, should islam take Europe)? Do women secretly like to be subdued by the man, in spite of what most of them say and the history of suffragation? What else could explain these facts, that those europeans, who fight the islamization and hereby the loss of womens rights are, almost without exception, men?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I lean towards giving those right, who say that that (first of all) Islam is women-hostile and women-subduing (you get this impression by reading the Quran). But on the other side you won&#8217;t escape the fact that most europeans, who convert to Islam are (guess!) women. Also, the left-wing parties of Europe, who support immigration from muslim countries and thereby doing harm to european women through rape and harasment from muslims, have mostly female electors.</p>
<p>So my questions to the feminists and perhaps your gender in general are; how would a woman explain, that those europeans (~women), who should really fight islam, are those most likely to support islam (women becomming the first victims, should islam take Europe)? Do women secretly like to be subdued by the man, in spite of what most of them say and the history of suffragation? What else could explain these facts, that those europeans, who fight the islamization and hereby the loss of womens rights are, almost without exception, men?</p>
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		<title>By: mateo-argentino</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/06/12/gloss/comment-page-1/#comment-149292</link>
		<dc:creator>mateo-argentino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 03:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hehe, the bible sure hates women...Paul hated pretty much everyone who wasn&#039;t as perfect as he was...which is pretty funny if you consider this: 

http://jesusandmo.net/2006/01/02/lobe/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hehe, the bible sure hates women&#8230;Paul hated pretty much everyone who wasn&#8217;t as perfect as he was&#8230;which is pretty funny if you consider this: </p>
<p><a href="http://jesusandmo.net/2006/01/02/lobe/" rel="nofollow">http://jesusandmo.net/2006/01/02/lobe/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Turner</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/06/12/gloss/comment-page-1/#comment-149246</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there any chance you could make a pie out of Tony Blair?  Pretty indigestible I would have thought, but at least he would be useful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there any chance you could make a pie out of Tony Blair?  Pretty indigestible I would have thought, but at least he would be useful.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Turner</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/06/12/gloss/comment-page-1/#comment-149245</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, I read that in the UK a couple of years ago a wanted terrorism suspect got out through an airport dressed in his sister&#039;s niqab.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, I read that in the UK a couple of years ago a wanted terrorism suspect got out through an airport dressed in his sister&#8217;s niqab.</p>
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		<title>By: andrea</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/06/12/gloss/comment-page-1/#comment-149213</link>
		<dc:creator>andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 11:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to which the only sensible reply is - I don&#039;t think I have a pie dish big enough to fit all of you in. Which bits shall I use?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to which the only sensible reply is &#8211; I don&#8217;t think I have a pie dish big enough to fit all of you in. Which bits shall I use?</p>
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		<title>By: DonR</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/06/12/gloss/comment-page-1/#comment-149194</link>
		<dc:creator>DonR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 07:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeh, I know what you mean.  I use &#039;confidence&#039; in place of &#039;faith&#039; when espousing evidence-based support for something.

Confidence suggests I&#039;m comfortable with my position and can support it as required.  Faith simply says I&#039;m going to support a point of view despite my own doubts about its feasibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeh, I know what you mean.  I use &#8216;confidence&#8217; in place of &#8216;faith&#8217; when espousing evidence-based support for something.</p>
<p>Confidence suggests I&#8217;m comfortable with my position and can support it as required.  Faith simply says I&#8217;m going to support a point of view despite my own doubts about its feasibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Daoloth</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/06/12/gloss/comment-page-1/#comment-149192</link>
		<dc:creator>Daoloth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 06:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm. I guess if someone asks me my position on some obscure element of string theory I am likely to go &quot;huh? don&#039;t know what that refers to&quot;, because I likely dont. But I have some idea what people mean by God, even if I think that the idea is ultimately an incoherent or even logically inconsitent one. 
At the very least I am interested, even if just anthropologically, in what people think they believe in. It would be easy if only the &quot;retarded, deluded or demented&quot; believed in God but in reality there are some very smart people who have some sort of super-natural belief.
I seem to remember hearing that over 90% of the planet identified as theistic so if I am a student of human psychology I would be remiss not to try to get to the root of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm. I guess if someone asks me my position on some obscure element of string theory I am likely to go &#8220;huh? don&#8217;t know what that refers to&#8221;, because I likely dont. But I have some idea what people mean by God, even if I think that the idea is ultimately an incoherent or even logically inconsitent one.<br />
At the very least I am interested, even if just anthropologically, in what people think they believe in. It would be easy if only the &#8220;retarded, deluded or demented&#8221; believed in God but in reality there are some very smart people who have some sort of super-natural belief.<br />
I seem to remember hearing that over 90% of the planet identified as theistic so if I am a student of human psychology I would be remiss not to try to get to the root of that.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnnieCanuck</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/06/12/gloss/comment-page-1/#comment-149190</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnnieCanuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 05:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can follow some of your argument about the label &#039;atheism&#039;, but I am not convinced of your conclusions.

A supernatural explanation for the existence of the world has been a part of almost every society we have records for. It appears to be the default condition for Homo sapiens (communism ignored for brevity). That theism is not logical and ideally should not exist may be so, but &#039;should not&#039; isn&#039;t &#039;does not&#039;. In practise, atheism does follow from theism and there may never be a day when theism ceases to exist.

I identify as an atheist. It is definitely a loaded word and comes with a lot of baggage. Some would like it to mean devil worshipper or hedonist or sociopath. Others claim that it can only be used by someone who knows no gods can exist, which is not logically possible to conclude. My position is pretty much as Richard Dawkins has put it.

I always have to wonder about non-believers who seek to avoid the atheist label for themselves. The religious have long tried to make it such a hateful term that no-one would want to accept it. Now, agnostic, there&#039;s a word I would argue is redundant and   really just a euphemism when analysed.

Finally, it has to be said, &quot;Atheism is a religion in the same way as baldness is a hair colour.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can follow some of your argument about the label &#8216;atheism&#8217;, but I am not convinced of your conclusions.</p>
<p>A supernatural explanation for the existence of the world has been a part of almost every society we have records for. It appears to be the default condition for Homo sapiens (communism ignored for brevity). That theism is not logical and ideally should not exist may be so, but &#8217;should not&#8217; isn&#8217;t &#8216;does not&#8217;. In practise, atheism does follow from theism and there may never be a day when theism ceases to exist.</p>
<p>I identify as an atheist. It is definitely a loaded word and comes with a lot of baggage. Some would like it to mean devil worshipper or hedonist or sociopath. Others claim that it can only be used by someone who knows no gods can exist, which is not logically possible to conclude. My position is pretty much as Richard Dawkins has put it.</p>
<p>I always have to wonder about non-believers who seek to avoid the atheist label for themselves. The religious have long tried to make it such a hateful term that no-one would want to accept it. Now, agnostic, there&#8217;s a word I would argue is redundant and   really just a euphemism when analysed.</p>
<p>Finally, it has to be said, &#8220;Atheism is a religion in the same way as baldness is a hair colour.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: FireFox</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/06/12/gloss/comment-page-1/#comment-149172</link>
		<dc:creator>FireFox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 23:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the bible does say &quot; Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.&quot; So, get in the kitchen and make me pie!


*runs like hell 

:P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the bible does say &#8221; Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.&#8221; So, get in the kitchen and make me pie!</p>
<p>*runs like hell </p>
<p> <img src='http://www.jesusandmo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mr Gronk</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/06/12/gloss/comment-page-1/#comment-149168</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr Gronk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 23:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A squirming, unctuous, greasy, sanctimonious, pandering, toadying, shit-eating little weasel.

I don&#039;t like him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A squirming, unctuous, greasy, sanctimonious, pandering, toadying, shit-eating little weasel.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like him.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Gronk</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/06/12/gloss/comment-page-1/#comment-149167</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr Gronk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 23:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s basically my beef with the term &quot;faith&quot;. For most people it has a positive connotation which religion proceeds to exploit. If only people would say &quot;trust&quot; when they mean trust, and &quot;faith&quot; when they mean willful credulity.
J&amp;Mers might remember some of my epic rants on this subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s basically my beef with the term &#8220;faith&#8221;. For most people it has a positive connotation which religion proceeds to exploit. If only people would say &#8220;trust&#8221; when they mean trust, and &#8220;faith&#8221; when they mean willful credulity.<br />
J&amp;Mers might remember some of my epic rants on this subject.</p>
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		<title>By: Ophelia Benson</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/06/12/gloss/comment-page-1/#comment-149150</link>
		<dc:creator>Ophelia Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 17:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &#039;strident and shrill&#039; accusation also gets thrown at feminists, or just women, a lot too, which made it all the more ironic that Bunting resorted to it, especially when she was being quite shouty in the process. As in - &#039;The tone of your book is quite strident and shrill,&#039; she yelled.

I think the boys have accused the barmaid of being strident a time or two, haven&#039;t they? Well they would, wouldn&#039;t they.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8217;strident and shrill&#8217; accusation also gets thrown at feminists, or just women, a lot too, which made it all the more ironic that Bunting resorted to it, especially when she was being quite shouty in the process. As in &#8211; &#8216;The tone of your book is quite strident and shrill,&#8217; she yelled.</p>
<p>I think the boys have accused the barmaid of being strident a time or two, haven&#8217;t they? Well they would, wouldn&#8217;t they.</p>
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		<title>By: Ohekatos</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/06/12/gloss/comment-page-1/#comment-149139</link>
		<dc:creator>Ohekatos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 14:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please read my post again. To say &quot;I don&#039;t believe in Santa Claus&quot; means that somebody must have told you that there lives a bearded, red-dressed goodfella on the North Pole, riding rendeers and giving presents. Your statement comes as an answer to this information.

What I am trying to say is, that if someone asked me &quot;do you believe that such a guy exists, yes or no?&quot;, the best answer I could give was &quot;what?&quot;

No wonder, that religions find their members mainly amongst children and retarded, those who know nothing will be believe in anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please read my post again. To say &#8220;I don&#8217;t believe in Santa Claus&#8221; means that somebody must have told you that there lives a bearded, red-dressed goodfella on the North Pole, riding rendeers and giving presents. Your statement comes as an answer to this information.</p>
<p>What I am trying to say is, that if someone asked me &#8220;do you believe that such a guy exists, yes or no?&#8221;, the best answer I could give was &#8220;what?&#8221;</p>
<p>No wonder, that religions find their members mainly amongst children and retarded, those who know nothing will be believe in anything.</p>
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		<title>By: jerry w</title>
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		<dc:creator>jerry w</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 13:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Everybody should believe in something. I believe I&#039;ll have another beer&quot;.
More or less the quote that&#039;s often been attributed to W.C. Fields, and I believe he was right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Everybody should believe in something. I believe I&#8217;ll have another beer&#8221;.<br />
More or less the quote that&#8217;s often been attributed to W.C. Fields, and I believe he was right.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Hughes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 12:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;if I was an atheist, this would mean that I thus had recognized religion (you have to recognize something before you can revolt against it).&quot;

Who&#039;s in revolt against anything? Not considering the notion of a deity or deities to acceptable, I am atheist, or &#039;godless&#039;.
Where&#039;s the revolution in that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;if I was an atheist, this would mean that I thus had recognized religion (you have to recognize something before you can revolt against it).&#8221;</p>
<p>Who&#8217;s in revolt against anything? Not considering the notion of a deity or deities to acceptable, I am atheist, or &#8216;godless&#8217;.<br />
Where&#8217;s the revolution in that?</p>
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		<title>By: Necessary Evil</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/06/12/gloss/comment-page-1/#comment-149125</link>
		<dc:creator>Necessary Evil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 11:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...starting with Islam and Xtianity. Creating laughter is surely the best way to pop the bubbles of pomposity masquerading as a need for &quot;respect&quot;. A truly spiritual person will see beyond the religiosity that Jesus &amp; Mo is jibing at and laugh along with the rest of us. but then a truly spiritual person is likely to be a Buddhist, which is an atheistic religion anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;starting with Islam and Xtianity. Creating laughter is surely the best way to pop the bubbles of pomposity masquerading as a need for &#8220;respect&#8221;. A truly spiritual person will see beyond the religiosity that Jesus &amp; Mo is jibing at and laugh along with the rest of us. but then a truly spiritual person is likely to be a Buddhist, which is an atheistic religion anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Ohekatos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ohekatos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 11:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>quote Daoloth: &quot;we atheists&quot;

Well, the thing about religion  atheism is that they don&#039;t exclude each other. I am neither nor, for if I was an atheist, this would mean that I thus had recognized religion (you have to recognize something before you can revolt against it). I do not recognize religion as a guiding line for human life and behaviour, since there were obviously people on this planet before there were gods, therefore I can not be an atheist.

It seems to me, that atheism isn&#039;t really an opposition to religion, atheism is just another religion. To disagree with someone because you believe they are wrong is still a belief.

Believer: &quot;I believe in god&quot;
Atheist: &quot;I believe that you&#039;re wrong&quot;

To me, to answer a question like &quot;is there a guy with supernatural power that created the universe and all people etc. &quot; is rubbish, just asking the question. Double rubbish if you answer it, whatever answer you might choose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>quote Daoloth: &#8220;we atheists&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, the thing about religion  atheism is that they don&#8217;t exclude each other. I am neither nor, for if I was an atheist, this would mean that I thus had recognized religion (you have to recognize something before you can revolt against it). I do not recognize religion as a guiding line for human life and behaviour, since there were obviously people on this planet before there were gods, therefore I can not be an atheist.</p>
<p>It seems to me, that atheism isn&#8217;t really an opposition to religion, atheism is just another religion. To disagree with someone because you believe they are wrong is still a belief.</p>
<p>Believer: &#8220;I believe in god&#8221;<br />
Atheist: &#8220;I believe that you&#8217;re wrong&#8221;</p>
<p>To me, to answer a question like &#8220;is there a guy with supernatural power that created the universe and all people etc. &#8221; is rubbish, just asking the question. Double rubbish if you answer it, whatever answer you might choose.</p>
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		<title>By: Daoloth</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/06/12/gloss/comment-page-1/#comment-149108</link>
		<dc:creator>Daoloth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 07:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;strident and shrill&quot; accusation gets thrown at Dawkins when he nails them too. It reminds me of those boneheads who, when you have shown them that their position is utterly untenable, go &quot;ooh...must have touched a nerve&quot;. I always want to touch, well vigorously punch, a nerve at that point- but I restrain myself.
Its as intellectually vapid as saying &quot;Its not what you said- its the way you said it&quot; (sob sob). 
I have come to think that maybe we atheists need our &quot;strident and shrill&quot; brigade, just like the gay movement needs people like Tatchell?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;strident and shrill&#8221; accusation gets thrown at Dawkins when he nails them too. It reminds me of those boneheads who, when you have shown them that their position is utterly untenable, go &#8220;ooh&#8230;must have touched a nerve&#8221;. I always want to touch, well vigorously punch, a nerve at that point- but I restrain myself.<br />
Its as intellectually vapid as saying &#8220;Its not what you said- its the way you said it&#8221; (sob sob).<br />
I have come to think that maybe we atheists need our &#8220;strident and shrill&#8221; brigade, just like the gay movement needs people like Tatchell?</p>
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