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		<title>By: ._.</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/04/03/news/#comment-174823</link>
		<dc:creator>._.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2011 10:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surprisingly, the link actually works and leads to Alexander the Great !</description>
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		<title>By: Toast in the machine</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/04/03/news/#comment-153379</link>
		<dc:creator>Toast in the machine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Christopher Do Osborn
So you&#039;ve made up a distinction between a group you call &#039;&lt;i&gt;atheists&lt;/i&gt;&#039; and another group you call &#039;&lt;i&gt;Confirmed Atheists&lt;/i&gt;&#039;. This distinction is peculiar to you and you make no attempt - in your initial post - to even acknowledge that in your mind these two groups exist. Forgive me for not understanding this - I must have forgotten to turn on my telepathy that day.

Moreover, it&#039;s a bullshit distinction anyway. You can repeat that your &#039;Atheist&#039; group (which you&#039;ve now abbreviated from &#039;Confirmed Atheists&#039;) have a &lt;i&gt;&#039;definite belief that there is no God&#039;&lt;/i&gt; as many times as you like - it doesn&#039;t stop it from being bullshit. I don&#039;t have a &#039;definite belief&#039; that there is no Loch Ness monster - I don&#039;t need a capitalised word to describe my position on the question. I simply don&#039;t believe there is one. If you wished to describe me as a &#039;alochnessmonsterist&#039; I wouldn&#039;t argue, except on aesthetic grounds. If you called me an &#039;Alochnessmonsterist&#039; on the other hand you would be as wrong as you are in this case.

Likewise, I specifically don&#039;t believe in the muslim god, the shinto god(s), Odin or Zoroaster, but generally I simply do not believe in any all-powerful creator being or pantheon, and so I am an atheist. It is a common and underhand christian tactic to to try to reduce the distance between their position and atheists&#039; position to one of rival, equally-grounded parties, by wrongly capitalising &#039;atheist&#039;. Protest how you like, you simply make yourself seem more dishonest and disingenuous. The positions are not equal. Your belief is a faith position - without foundation. I do not have a positive equal belief, I simply lack yours.

Finally, I hope I didn&#039;t shock you too much with my &#039;&lt;i&gt;astounding assumption&lt;/i&gt;&#039;. Are you saying that you are in fact, simultaneously a Hindu, a Jain and a muslim? No, of course you&#039;re not. They are mutually exclusive, so you could only be one of them at most. And as you had provided a link in your name to your own web-page - which I had followed before replying - where you made it clear you were none of these things, it was not really that much of an assumption.

And finally finally, you have not been &#039;&lt;i&gt;typing to Atheists a lot lately&lt;/i&gt;&#039;. You have typed a lot (of nonsense) to an atheist recently. Try to get it right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Christopher Do Osborn<br />
So you&#8217;ve made up a distinction between a group you call &#8216;<i>atheists</i>&#8216; and another group you call &#8216;<i>Confirmed Atheists</i>&#8216;. This distinction is peculiar to you and you make no attempt &#8211; in your initial post &#8211; to even acknowledge that in your mind these two groups exist. Forgive me for not understanding this &#8211; I must have forgotten to turn on my telepathy that day.</p>
<p>Moreover, it&#8217;s a bullshit distinction anyway. You can repeat that your &#8216;Atheist&#8217; group (which you&#8217;ve now abbreviated from &#8216;Confirmed Atheists&#8217;) have a <i>&#8216;definite belief that there is no God&#8217;</i> as many times as you like &#8211; it doesn&#8217;t stop it from being bullshit. I don&#8217;t have a &#8216;definite belief&#8217; that there is no Loch Ness monster &#8211; I don&#8217;t need a capitalised word to describe my position on the question. I simply don&#8217;t believe there is one. If you wished to describe me as a &#8216;alochnessmonsterist&#8217; I wouldn&#8217;t argue, except on aesthetic grounds. If you called me an &#8216;Alochnessmonsterist&#8217; on the other hand you would be as wrong as you are in this case.</p>
<p>Likewise, I specifically don&#8217;t believe in the muslim god, the shinto god(s), Odin or Zoroaster, but generally I simply do not believe in any all-powerful creator being or pantheon, and so I am an atheist. It is a common and underhand christian tactic to to try to reduce the distance between their position and atheists&#8217; position to one of rival, equally-grounded parties, by wrongly capitalising &#8216;atheist&#8217;. Protest how you like, you simply make yourself seem more dishonest and disingenuous. The positions are not equal. Your belief is a faith position &#8211; without foundation. I do not have a positive equal belief, I simply lack yours.</p>
<p>Finally, I hope I didn&#8217;t shock you too much with my &#8216;<i>astounding assumption</i>&#8216;. Are you saying that you are in fact, simultaneously a Hindu, a Jain and a muslim? No, of course you&#8217;re not. They are mutually exclusive, so you could only be one of them at most. And as you had provided a link in your name to your own web-page &#8211; which I had followed before replying &#8211; where you made it clear you were none of these things, it was not really that much of an assumption.</p>
<p>And finally finally, you have not been &#8216;<i>typing to Atheists a lot lately</i>&#8216;. You have typed a lot (of nonsense) to an atheist recently. Try to get it right.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Do Osborn</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/04/03/news/#comment-152974</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Do Osborn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 16:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Toast in the machine I didn&#039;t say atheists, I said Confirmed Atheists.  What I meant was not babies who have no chance to have any beliefs at all yet.

When you say &quot;I do not believe in God&quot; you are stating a belief.  It is not simply lack of belief, it is a definite belief that there is no God.

There was nothing underhanded about my capitalization, I was simply trying to make the distinction people atheists who just don&#039;t care or haven&#039;t really thought about it, and Atheists who have thought about ti deeply and decided that their belief is that there is no God.

Finally, your assumption that I am not Hindu, Jain, or Muslim is astounding.  I said nothing in my post which suggest what sort of religious beleifs I have.  The fact is, , though I would guess unlikely, I could have been an atheist poking fun at both Atheists and Deists.

Anyway, as is obvious, I am not an atheist. I am a Unificationist.  Part of my beleifs as a Unificationist is that all true religions (as apposed to cults, yes even a &quot;Moonie&quot; like me believes in cults) were inspired by the same God, they were simply in different parts of the world in different points in history being received by different people and so they came out a little different.  So I have nothing inherently against other religions.  As an example, though I am not Lutheran, a few years after I was blessed in marriage by Sun Myung Moon, my wife and I had a sort of renewal of vows type of thing in an official Norwegian Church officiated by a Norwegian Lutheran priest.

Jee wiz, I sure have been typing to Atheists a lot lately.  I really aught to relax on that a little, it&#039;s a bit tiring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Toast in the machine I didn&#8217;t say atheists, I said Confirmed Atheists.  What I meant was not babies who have no chance to have any beliefs at all yet.</p>
<p>When you say &#8220;I do not believe in God&#8221; you are stating a belief.  It is not simply lack of belief, it is a definite belief that there is no God.</p>
<p>There was nothing underhanded about my capitalization, I was simply trying to make the distinction people atheists who just don&#8217;t care or haven&#8217;t really thought about it, and Atheists who have thought about ti deeply and decided that their belief is that there is no God.</p>
<p>Finally, your assumption that I am not Hindu, Jain, or Muslim is astounding.  I said nothing in my post which suggest what sort of religious beleifs I have.  The fact is, , though I would guess unlikely, I could have been an atheist poking fun at both Atheists and Deists.</p>
<p>Anyway, as is obvious, I am not an atheist. I am a Unificationist.  Part of my beleifs as a Unificationist is that all true religions (as apposed to cults, yes even a &#8220;Moonie&#8221; like me believes in cults) were inspired by the same God, they were simply in different parts of the world in different points in history being received by different people and so they came out a little different.  So I have nothing inherently against other religions.  As an example, though I am not Lutheran, a few years after I was blessed in marriage by Sun Myung Moon, my wife and I had a sort of renewal of vows type of thing in an official Norwegian Church officiated by a Norwegian Lutheran priest.</p>
<p>Jee wiz, I sure have been typing to Atheists a lot lately.  I really aught to relax on that a little, it&#8217;s a bit tiring.</p>
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		<title>By: Toast in the machine</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/04/03/news/#comment-148915</link>
		<dc:creator>Toast in the machine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 22:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given that no baby is born with any knowledge of any religion or god, nor any religious faith, your statement is nonsense.

You are just as much an atheist as normal people are, when it comes to all those other &#039;wrong&#039; religions: you&#039;re a Hindu-atheist, a Jain-atheist, a Muslim-atheist. People are not positively brain-washed into being particular kinds of atheist, only into being theists of a particular type.

It takes no brainwashing to produce an atheist, only a &lt;b&gt;lack&lt;/b&gt; of pro-religious brainwashing.

And spelling it with a capital A is just an underhand way of trying to put lack of belief in god into the same category as religions. It&#039;s as stupid as saying &#039;not collecting stamps&#039; is a hobby - as has been pointed out many times before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given that no baby is born with any knowledge of any religion or god, nor any religious faith, your statement is nonsense.</p>
<p>You are just as much an atheist as normal people are, when it comes to all those other &#8216;wrong&#8217; religions: you&#8217;re a Hindu-atheist, a Jain-atheist, a Muslim-atheist. People are not positively brain-washed into being particular kinds of atheist, only into being theists of a particular type.</p>
<p>It takes no brainwashing to produce an atheist, only a <b>lack</b> of pro-religious brainwashing.</p>
<p>And spelling it with a capital A is just an underhand way of trying to put lack of belief in god into the same category as religions. It&#8217;s as stupid as saying &#8216;not collecting stamps&#8217; is a hobby &#8211; as has been pointed out many times before.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher D. Osborn</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/04/03/news/#comment-148646</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher D. Osborn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 13:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Confirmed Atheists are no less brainwashed that confirmed Deists.

That said, funny comic :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Confirmed Atheists are no less brainwashed that confirmed Deists.</p>
<p>That said, funny comic <img src='http://www.jesusandmo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Silver Buttons</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/04/03/news/#comment-144333</link>
		<dc:creator>Silver Buttons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 21:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Duncan, that&#039;s great! XD</description>
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		<title>By: Twitter Updates for 2009-04-09 Â» Geoff Arnold</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/04/03/news/#comment-142419</link>
		<dc:creator>Twitter Updates for 2009-04-09 Â» Geoff Arnold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 07:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] If it wasn&#8217;t on Twitter, it didn&#8217;t happen. http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/04/03/news/ in reply to ThinGuy [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] If it wasn&#8217;t on Twitter, it didn&#8217;t happen. <a href="http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/04/03/news/" rel="nofollow">http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/04/03/news/</a> in reply to ThinGuy [...]</p>
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		<title>By: John The Geologist</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/04/03/news/#comment-142095</link>
		<dc:creator>John The Geologist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 09:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DonR

I don&#039;t normally pick people up on spelling or grammatical mistakes (tends to be a case of making a rod for your own back) but you do make some good points.

You would think that an omnipotent and omniscient dog would have a better command of one of his principal languages (the St James Bible springs to mind and an awful lot of dog bothering - at least in terms of JCs father - tends to be in English). He has had enough time to learn English FFS.

I thought he listened to all of our prayers (or at least all of their prayers) so he ough to be more fluent in English.

Poor English aside, it is still a great reflection on the Author that he bothered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DonR</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t normally pick people up on spelling or grammatical mistakes (tends to be a case of making a rod for your own back) but you do make some good points.</p>
<p>You would think that an omnipotent and omniscient dog would have a better command of one of his principal languages (the St James Bible springs to mind and an awful lot of dog bothering &#8211; at least in terms of JCs father &#8211; tends to be in English). He has had enough time to learn English FFS.</p>
<p>I thought he listened to all of our prayers (or at least all of their prayers) so he ough to be more fluent in English.</p>
<p>Poor English aside, it is still a great reflection on the Author that he bothered.</p>
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		<title>By: DonR</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/04/03/news/#comment-142088</link>
		<dc:creator>DonR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 07:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@John the Geologist

And He even had the consideration to correct a long standing grammatical misnomer for us.  Apparently &quot;brainwashing&quot; is a noun.

Also, and it suits me just fine, there&#039;s no &#039;i&#039; in &quot;religon&quot;. lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@John the Geologist</p>
<p>And He even had the consideration to correct a long standing grammatical misnomer for us.  Apparently &#8220;brainwashing&#8221; is a noun.</p>
<p>Also, and it suits me just fine, there&#8217;s no &#8216;i&#8217; in &#8220;religon&#8221;. lol</p>
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		<title>By: Ford</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2009/04/03/news/#comment-142007</link>
		<dc:creator>Ford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 19:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How come he never uses his last name: Fitz-Yahweh?</description>
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