There are no stats provided to support Jesus’ being 110% more peaceful.
You may safely disregard the frustrating pimp-my-deity-assertions-with-no-evidence from the fanboy JohnWrot.

It’s like a detergent advert claiming to be 110% more effective.
More effective than what? Using only water? The leading competition? The same product, from a previous iteration?

Any, note the lack of parallel, comparing peace to violence. How do those units measure up? What are the j-man’s stats for violence, and the m-man’s stats for peace?

*Religion* is an entirely human concept. Man invented gods as a way of trying to make sense of what’s around us. How can Bronze Age myths possibly be right about the universe? Even if gods existed, how can humans presume to know exactly what they’re like?

r00db00y: Yes, reason is a “human” concept, it happens in human brains (and those of animals too, as has been helpfully pointed out). Believing that those blobs of cells are capable of grasping the big giant cosmic truth, if there is one, is by reason an arrogant assumption, I agree to that fully.

The difference between a scientific approach to things and a religious one is simply that with scientific thinking you accept that there is infinitely much that you do not know, and after the first shock and probably a few depressive moments you start being happy about what you DO know. Which is what you can test by experiment.

Those are your assumptions. Between those, logical laws that need to be tested as well apply. (For example: If it rains, the street is wet. If the street is wet, it did not neccessarily rain. All you know is A=>B. And this simply because in all known cases everything that got rained upon got wet. You “believe” what you see)

The difference between the scientific approach and the religious is that you accept that you are humble and not able to know THA TRUTH, that you make models of what you see and update these regularly (checking the street every now and again, and if for some case it is not wet you enquire why) You regularly change your mind once you find something new and throw your old model down the toilet if you found it being flawed.

Religion means, you hold onto something that you believe, never test it, and declare it cosmic wisdom, with no or very feeble proof whatsoever. Mostly because some other dude in a shiny robe tells you it is THA TRUTH and you will never have to search again.
Testing and making your own models is so much more work…

Reason does NOT (yet?) provide the answer to all questions, but it is the only thing we have.

And claiming to “know” some cosmic truth beyond it is arrogance or weakness.

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This whole ‘communion’ thing bothers me though – all this ‘eat this wafer, it is the body of Christ’, and the ‘drink this wine, it is the blood of Christ’. The fact that people eat so much chocolate at Easter is to me deeply symbolic.

Jesus – Actual Son of God, Divine, Has all knowledge as He is God, Died, Rose, Saved Mankind from their sins, and 110% Peaceful. (whether you buy it or not, this is most certainly what He claimed & Lived.)
Mohammed – Desert Merchant, denies Christ’s divinity AND death, learned about Christianity and Judiasm from other unlearned merchants and fleeing heretics, respat it out as “divine word” (like a bad game of “telephone”), died, is still dead, led mankind astray from Christ, and 75% violent. (whether you like it or not, this is most certainly what he claimed & lived.)

I’m not a Right-Wing blah blah blah blah blah. I am educated.

This way we can all dodge the “reason” thing and use “facts” to make our choices.
And no, reason is not inherently bad, it’s an AMAZING tool and gift.
Use it.

In Him,
John Wrot!

and here’s the results:

Out with the old…….

no jesus
know peace

In with the new……..

know jesus
no peace

Now, I know that some bumpersticker somewhere has to work for Mo…..

http://boskolives.wordpress.com/

and here’s the results:

Out with the old…….

no jesus
know peace

In with the new……..

know jesus
no peace

Now, I know that some bumpersticker somewhere has to work for Mo…..