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Yep, taking offence puts people on the defensive. I can see it all over this site
Can Mo actually see the road?
Bwa ha ha!! One of the best yet!
These just keep getting better.
@spaghettimonster: your racist innuendo towards Mo’s full ability to see the road hints at your deep rooted hatred towards Islam and it’s power to steer cars solely by faith.
I’ve had no idea J&M lived in England. Or is it Japan?
pubs? pithy barmaids? subtle dry humor?
Where did you think they lived, Detroit?
I guess I just assumed they lived in Slovenia, like everybody else.
I thought they lived in the US and used a religious excuse to drive a foreign car.
Also, you should make it clear that if you use violence after being offended, doesn’t matter against who, it will be wholly the fault of the guy that offended you.
Poor Mo – he’s forgetting that it’s the barmaid he’s dealing with. If he tries that ‘I’m offended’ trick with her she’ll only ask even more difficult questions.
Chris,
Did you also think they had a religious excuse for saying “offence” instead of “offense” in the US?
I think I’m in love with Barmaid. Anybody got her phone number?
Respecting my religion and my ideas is my entitlement. And if you do not respect my ideas, I will “earn” your respect, by the threat of this sword.
And so goes the Islamic credo, supported and respected by the democracy-hating postmodern and postcolonial lefto-fascists.
Why they don’t use seat belts?
Absolute classic, one of the best.
When Jesus is your co-pilot, you don’t need seat belts or even insurance. In fact, if a crash seems imminent, raise your hands to the Heavens and pray loudly, “Jesus Take The Wheel”.
Your mileage may vary.
I don’t know, Hobbes. Are you sure you want a girlfriend who can see right through any pretenses you might have, or any lies or excuses you might make?
Not that I wouldn’t mind a chance to meet her, myself. Having her in your life would be… interesting.
Awesome, one of the best… I’m so fed up with the religious attitude of a mafia cappo.
“I’m terribly offended, I won’t do anything personally, but the other 1.6 billion followers might, just might burn your embassy or decapitate you with a fruit knife, I don’t personally approve, but you where asking for it”
disgusting,
If this was an animated cartoon the car radio should be playing “Jesus take the wheeeeeeeel”
JohnnieCanuck, it would be . . . err . . . heaven, to have a mate so philosophically and humanistically inclined (not that I don’t love my wife as she is). This is the very reason I love J&Mo, and the comments it inspires. I learn from both. I suspect most, if not all respondents on this page, feel the same. I thrill at reading another good argument of which I hadn’t thought–the latest being the fallible/infallibility argument presented so eloquently in 01/01/10. This is a real keeper.
Hamidreza, “lefto-fascists?” So, we have lefto-fascists and Islamo-fascists. Since communism (extreme left) and fascism (extreme right) are at opposite ends of the political spectrum, I’d love to read the definition of the term “lefto-fascism.” As I understand it, Mussolini defined fascism is an economic system where business and government merge–something approaching the current system we now have in the U.S. (add to that, preemptive war, and what do we have?)
I suppose the argument could be made that fundamentalist Islam, when in control of a nation, could be roughly construed to be fascist, since religion and government are the same. Thus, business (the economical infrastructure that supports the theocracy), being an integral part of that merger, makes the whole system a form of fascism. Am I wrong here? Whattayathing?
Oops, “Mussolini defined fascism is . . .” should have been “Mussolini defined fascism as . . .”
Also 01/01/10 should have been 2008/01/10. So much for proofreading my own stuff after posting.
Hobbes,
For a long time, I was convinced that the Barmaid was Ophelia Benson. That’s why I was so surprised when I realized the guys lived in England.
Tea, thanks!
Again I learn. I really don’t understand how I could have missed leaning of Ophelia Benson before now. Your reply takes me down yet another educational road. I looked her up on the Web and discovered why you would think she is the barmaid (indeed, why she might even be the author of J&Mo). Fantastic! I will have to read her book, Why Truth Matters. Thinks again.
I’m glad I’ve helped
The book is terrific, and so is OB’s blog, http://www.butterfliesandwheels.com/notes.php .
I believe Ophelia has an option on the movie role.
@ spaghettimonster: Mo is a visionary! with superhuman power! he sees everything! Did you forget he has truth/perfection/knowledge/ on his side (also you can take it literally since well the son of himself is there)?
what happened to offensive comments?
Another masterpiece.
Tea, good question. This place is run with an iron fist.
I even had some complementary comment about Ophelia Benson which was deleted, as punishment for voicing my opinion about Hobbes. Sounds like collective punishment to me.
And I bet a pack of 6 wheat beer, which we can drink at the MoJesus bar, that this complaint will meet the same fate.
Hey MoJesus, don’t take yourself so seriously.
Cheers
Maybe I missed it, but I haven’t seen any deletions. Hamidreza’s comment about “lefto-fascists” is still there as is my response. Tea’s comment about first thinking that barmaid was Ophelia Benson, is still there. Was there another post I missed?
deleting offensive comments under a cartoon making fun of people yelling “offense!”
… interesting
Hobbes, yes, MoJesus deleted an “offensive” post, where I called you brainless. But of course I was just venting some steam, and I was NOT trying to personally attack you – surely you are a swell person. But I admit it could have been construed otherwise. In any case, if I have saved the comment, I will repost it.
Tea – great ironic observation. I guess MoJesus’ defense is that it was a personal ad hominem attack, which does not fall under the rubric of free speech. No doubt MoJesus has grounds to believe so. But a bit less of iron fist and more of tolerance can sometimes do wonders. I don’t think Hobbes would have minded. He may even have learnt something due to the shock therapy. Sort of like “Just War” – who knows?
MoJesus also deleted my comment on Ophelia Benson, which truely baffles me. This one was complementary and not offensive.
I guess some Mo thin-skinned culture must have rubbed off.
I don’t know why humans take themselves so seriously. We are just a speck of dust in the greater scheme of things (if there is one). The universe is not about us – never was. Grow up and move on.
You all do me too much honour. [simpers fetchingly]
Oh but p.s. – I’m absolutely not the author of Jesus and Mo! I wish. No, credit where credit is due – the author is someone else entirely.
And the name is Author, not MoJesus. It says so right on here somewhere.
Hamidreza you are welcome to post here, as is everyone. But it hasn’t always been so. Comments were disabled for months in 2006 when people were using them to abuse and threaten each other. This was completely against the spirit and purpose of this site (What’s the purpose, you say? Why, to spread joy, of course!). Believe me, it wasn’t pretty.
So it was with some trepidation that I reactivated them – and since then I have taken a hands-on approach to ensuring they never descend to that level again. Nipping abuse in the bud has proved successful so far. Now the comments section is usually funnier than the comic.
Your reply to Hobbes was interesting enough – you didn’t have to be rude. As for your comment to OB, I deleted that by mistake. Sorry.
My favorite Mo joke:
Prophet Mohammed (Peace be Upon this Child Molester) was asked why do you think you are God’s Prophet?
He replied – because it says right there in the book. But what makes you think the book is correct? Because it is the literal word of God. But what makes it the literal word of God? Because it was revealed to me by God and I wrote it. But how do you know that God would speak to you? Because I am his Prophet … duh!
I’m hearing echoes of the debate about freedom of speech current among my own tribe, the Danes. Apparently freedom of speech to the right-wing-o-fascists means the obligation to mock outsiders.
Others, like the pragmatico-fascists of the centre/left (although not exclusively of the centre/left, to the credit of a few people) and not least our author-o-fascist, take a different approach, and judge the value of a given contribution against its offensive content.
So… Thank you, author, for taking the time to moderate the forum, thus stalling the regress into the hell of perpetual flames. While still having the time to seek out divine inspiration for the adventures of the prophet & the son of man
Dear author!
please delete all comments in the fray that discuss your identity! This is not only to protect you but also the people mentioned.
We all know that the islamofascist mob takes everybody it can get, questions asked in paradise.
So if names are tossed around here (usually by irresponsible slackers, chuckling about your courageous cracking of tabus, commenting themselfs under pseudonyms, using sock puppet accounts) it is already dangerous, considering the current threat in Europe to be singled out publicly by the political correct mainstream as “intolerant” or “racist”, just to be subsequently marked as prey to be slaughtered by the deranged followers of some crazy illiterate huckster from the dark ages.
If you are famous you will have a quite difficult life than, bodyguards watching you when you go to toilet… but if you are not, nobody might ever hear your screams…
Thanks for your courage and creativity! May peace be upon YOU!
Kristian: “Apparently freedom of speech to the right-wing-o-fascists means the obligation to mock outsiders.”
It is well known when reason cannot penetrate the thick skull of the religious believer and the dogmatist, then mockery can do wonders. Mockery is quite a meaningful high-bandwidth method of communication – and unlike language, is quite universal.
There is no responsibility to respect the ideas of the silly, the primitive, the idiot, or for that matter the ideas of me and you – despite what the postmodern lefto-fascists demand that ideas be respected.
Kristian: “… take a different approach, and judge the value of a given contribution against its offensive content.”
The irony has tragically escaped you. This episode of the cartoons is precisely about how the lefto-fascists and the Islamo-fascists try to censor and stifle debate by crying “I am offended”. And then you come and demand the same thing? At least you could have figured the cartoon in the first place, and save us the misery to have to respond.
Again, respect for ideas, such as the gutter religion of Islam, and the gutter culture of Muslim religiosity (e.g. razor cutting the forehead of 4 year olds), is not an entitlement. I will mock their religion and their culture to my hearts content and there is nothing you can fortunately do.
In fact I am a Muslim apostate, and that to your chagrin.
I will only respect the individual rights of a person, and I will defend that.
Otherwise, I am under no obligation to respect his beliefs or ideas, right or wrong, gutter or exhalted.
Hamidreza: you’re obviously using a view of fascism I wasn’t using. Since you preferred to use an ad hominem attack (yes, calling someone “brainless†is an ad hominem attack), I didn’t get the benefit of your response. Personally, I prefer to use civil debate, since personal attacks tend to entrench the opposition rather than enlighten.
Referring to the definition of lefto-fascism, I can only guess, but you seem to be championing only the authoritarian aspect, where I was referring to the economic aspect. If we see fascism only as that which is authoritarian, then, yes, any form of authoritarianism can be thought of as fascist. I believe that to be a bogus view.
However, if we look at the original definition of facism, then we see that the ideology was originally based on a hatred of anything “liberal,†such as labor unions, human rights, workers rights, etc. Thus, a fascist government will work for the benefit of the corporate world—some call it a “corporatocracyâ€â€”at the expense of the worker. Authoritarian, yes, but a corporatocracy as well. This is currently the state of affairs in the U.S., and this is why I believe we are very close to being a fascist state—if not there already, given that the executive branch pays no attention to the Constitution or the congress.
So, under the foregoing definition, I don’t see how a liberal ideology can be considered fascist, unless, of course, we take the view that all authoritarians are fascists, which seems to be a fallacious argument.
I would appreciate a civil response eliminating your definition so I can understand where I’m missing your meaning. This is your chance to educate, rather than denigrate.
Hobbes: I was with Barmaid for ten years. She actually WAS a barmaid or, more properly, a bartender. She is just like Barmaid, and more than interesting–possibly the most interesting person I’ve ever known.
Tea: for an American use of “offence” see Robert Frost’s “Mending Wall,”
where the curious variation is made into a marvelous pun.
–Poor Richard
Way too much indepth debate for this cartoon… maybe we need a chat forum where these sorts of conversations can be carried out exclusive of the cartoon…
Politics & Religion: two topics which should be discussed in moderation except in jest… Yet we’ve got over 15,000 on it already on this page…
Come on people, lighten up.
make that over 15,000 characters…
This does rather underline Author’s point about how threads can become over-heated.
Can we try to keep it pithy and urbane?
Poor Richard: I hope you recorded her aphorisms of wisdom in your almanac.
Don: Yes, for Goddess’ sake. let us keep our nihilism cheerful.
Hobbes, I’ll try to dig them out of my ancient fading memory. Here is one:
“Ah, Sex, Bourbon, the NY Times crossword, more sex — thus we compose a perfect Sunday morning.” [That there "compose" is a printing pun.]
Better than church.
Hamidreza, as you’ve taken the time to respond, I’ll do so as well, briefly, out of respect for the time you’ve taken and to explain. And remember this is only the soapbox of the internet; there is no reason to get upset.
My point is that mockery just for the sake of mockery, without having a sensible message is futile, and will only inflame the debate. Drawing a picture of Muhammad with a 17th century bomb in his turban, with a bit of Ottoman calligraphy thrown in, is not elegant, and will only increase the divide. Drawing something like the above cartoon in the ensuing debate is on the contrary witty and elegant (imho). I judge the value of the first contribution as a fair bit less than the above one. And if the decision was mine to make, I would have published this one, and not the first one.
Thinking all ideas equally worthy of respect is indeed silly. And even though I’m unsure of who or what you refer to as “lefto-fascist”, I think if you ask them, they may agree, or they at least they should agree to that.
But of course you’re right. People should not go out of the way to please people who are unbending in their anti-social or anti-democratic beliefs. However, very few believers belong in that category, and there’s no need to increase their numbers through thoughtless, sweeping provocations.
Also, quite frankly, I’m a bit tired of people that use the word “islamo-fascist”, as if it were some kind of political observance. It’s not, and the word makes no sense. But please read the above stuff also.