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		<title>By: fenchurch</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/10/22/women/#comment-175478</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2011 22:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The evolution of when a mass of cells becomes a person from a religious standpoint is so extra-biblical as to be laughable.

If a census taken during biblical times would only count infants at least a month old, then the old saw about life beginning at conception (or at 40) is unsupported doctrinally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The evolution of when a mass of cells becomes a person from a religious standpoint is so extra-biblical as to be laughable.</p>
<p>If a census taken during biblical times would only count infants at least a month old, then the old saw about life beginning at conception (or at 40) is unsupported doctrinally.</p>
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		<title>By: Ava</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2011 02:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The angry commentators on this post are all so original, intelligent and well spoken that I can barely separate you from the conservatives they hate so much.

Seriously guys, you don&#039;t know everything.

With that being said, this is a brilliant comic, even though I don&#039;t agree with the underlying ideology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The angry commentators on this post are all so original, intelligent and well spoken that I can barely separate you from the conservatives they hate so much.</p>
<p>Seriously guys, you don&#8217;t know everything.</p>
<p>With that being said, this is a brilliant comic, even though I don&#8217;t agree with the underlying ideology.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Dec 2010 03:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Men equate their power and integrity with the intactness and control of “their” women’s reproductive organs. The more conservative the society, the more this is true, and the more of a woman’s body this hysteria extends to. (Hysteria = identifying with the uterus — look up the history and etymology of the concept of hysteria).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Men equate their power and integrity with the intactness and control of “their” women’s reproductive organs. The more conservative the society, the more this is true, and the more of a woman’s body this hysteria extends to. (Hysteria = identifying with the uterus — look up the history and etymology of the concept of hysteria).</p>
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		<title>By: Teralek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teralek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 09:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point!</description>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Bible&quot; should be capitalized--it&#039;s a name. But I do agree with the statement made in this cartoon. I think it is ridiculous how people try to connect everything to religion, despite the whole &quot;Separation of Church and State&quot; thing, which I am beginning to think is a Myth. (yeah, &quot;myth&quot; should not be capitalized, but emphasis required it)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Bible&#8221; should be capitalized&#8211;it&#8217;s a name. But I do agree with the statement made in this cartoon. I think it is ridiculous how people try to connect everything to religion, despite the whole &#8220;Separation of Church and State&#8221; thing, which I am beginning to think is a Myth. (yeah, &#8220;myth&#8221; should not be capitalized, but emphasis required it)</p>
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		<title>By: Your culture link(s) for the day &#8212; Diary Of A Leaky Brain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Your culture link(s) for the day &#8212; Diary Of A Leaky Brain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Edward T. Babinski</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/10/22/women/#comment-109362</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward T. Babinski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 03:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bravo on the cartoon!

Scholars agree that the verse in Exodus is NOT speaking about a fetus being expelled by violence and surviving. Like that was even a possibility back then. It&#039;s death is taken for granted, and the penalty of eye for eye only concerns what happens to the woman suffering the miscarriage. The fine is simply the payment for losing the future offspring. 

Here&#039;s some major scholarly opinion on the subject: 

Abortion as such is not discussed in the Bible, so any explanation of why it is not legislated or commented on is speculative.

A key text for examining ancient Israelite attitudes [toward the fetus] is Exodus 21:22-25: â€œWhen people who are fighting injure a pregnant woman so that there is a miscarriage, and yet no further harm follows, the one responsible shall be fined what the womanâ€™s husband demands, paying as much as the judges determine. If any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.â€ Several observations can be made about this passage.

The Hebrew text at v. 22 literally reads â€œand there is no harm,â€ implying that contrary to current sensibilities, the miscarriage itself was not considered serious injury. The monetary judgment given to the womanâ€™s husband indicates that the womanâ€™s experience of the miscarriage is not of significance, and that the damage is considered one to property rather than to human life. This latter observation is further supported by the contrast with the penalties for harm to the woman herself. 

Drorah Oâ€™Donnell Setel, â€œAbortion,â€ The Oxford Guide to Ideas &amp; Issues of the Bible, ed. by Bruce Metzger and Michael D. Coogan (Oxford University Press, 2001)
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There is no biblical proof-text against abortion. Deuteronomy 30:19 (â€œchoose lifeâ€) has nothing to do with abortion; it has to do with being party to Godâ€™s covenant with Israel. Psalm 139:13-18 is less relevant to the issue than most people think; a careful reading of that psalm reveals that the â€œmotherâ€ in whose â€œwombâ€ the psalmist was known by God is Mother Earth (notice the parallelism between â€œmy motherâ€™s wombâ€ and â€œthe depths of the earthâ€ in the inclusio of vv. 13-15). Exodus 21 is very difficult, but it certainly does not speak directly to abortion; at most, it relates to an accidentally induced miscarriage, though it may refer to a premature birth. That interpretive decision is crucial, and Iâ€™m not sure how to resolve it. As far as I can tell, the only biblical passage that I know of that directly mentions a practice like we would think of as abortion curses a man who did not practice it on the fetal Jeremiah (Jeremiah 20:16-18). Now, having said that, I hasten to repeat that my general default position is anti-abortion (I am willing to listen to arguments on specific cases, though Iâ€™ve never had any input into a specific case), and I think a biblical case can be made for an anti-abortion position. But it must be a cumulative theological case, not a list of proof-texts--for there are no such proof-texts.

Dr. R. Christopher Heard [Old Testament professor at Pepperdine University, lifelong member of Churches of Christ], â€œIs the Bible Anti-Abortion?â€ at his blog, Higgaion, Friday, November 18, 2005 http://www.heardworld.com/higgaion/2005/11/is-bible-anti-abortion.html
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BIBLE VERSES THAT MENTION MISCARRIAGES (â€œUNTIMELY BIRTHSâ€) AND SUGGEST THAT IN SOME CASES â€œNOT BEING BORNâ€ MIGHT HAVE BEEN BEST

Cursed be the day wherein I was born: let not the day wherein my mother bare me be blessed. Cursed be the man who brought tidings to my father, saying, A man child is born unto thee; making him very glad. And let that man be as the cities which the LORD overthrew, and repented not: and let him hear the cry in the morning, and the shouting at noontide; Because he slew me not from the womb; or that my mother might have been my grave, and her womb to be always great with me. Wherefore came I forth out of the womb to see labour and sorrow, that my days should be consumed with shame? 
- Jeremiah 20:14-18  

[This is the only Biblical passage that directly and indisputably mentions a practice that we would today think of as â€œabortion,â€ but notice, Jeremiah is cursing a man for NOT aborting the fetal Jeremiah.--E.T.B.]
 
Or as an hidden untimely birth I had not been; as infants which never saw light. There the wicked cease from troubling; and there the weary be at rest. There the prisoners rest together; they hear not the voice of the oppressor. The small and great are there; and the servant is free from his master. 
- Job 3:16-19

If a man beget an hundred children, and live many years, so that the days of his years be many, and his soul be not filled with good, and also that he have no burial; I say, that an untimely birth is better than he. For he cometh in with vanity, and departeth in darkness, and his name shall be covered with darkness. Moreover he hath not seen the sun, nor known any thing: this hath more rest than the other. 
- Ecclesiastes 6:3-5

And here&#039;s some further food for thought for anyone who has read and studied the Bible concerning the topic of abortion and how much Yahweh &quot;cares for&quot; the fetus:  

HOW PRO-LIFE IS THE BIBLE?

According to the Bible, God Himself is ready, willing and able to abort fetuses:

Their fruit shalt Thou destroy from the earth, and their seed from among the children of men.
- Psalm 21:10

The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they are born... let every one of them pass away: like the untimely birth of a woman, that they may not see the sun.
- Psalm 58:3,8

As for Israel, their glory shall fly away like a bird, and from the womb, and from the conception...Give them, O Lord: what will Thou give? Give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts...they shall bear no fruit...
- Hosea 9:11-16 

Notice that the prophet Hosea is pleading with his God to punish the Israelites by murdering their unborn babies. The Bible never really provides a logical rationale as to why fetuses, babies, and children must be punished for the sins of their parents and others. Some would suggest that for God to kill unborn babies for their parentâ€™s sins is somewhat misdirected retribution.

Gene Kasmar, WHYâ€¦The Brooklyn Center High School Bible Challenge. Part 1: The Evidence

Every living thing on the earth was drowned [by the Hebrew LORD--which included pregnant women and babies]...Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
- Genesis 7:23

Thus saith the LORD...Slay both man and woman, infant and suckling.
- 1 Samuel 15:3 

Joshua destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD commanded.
- Joshua 10:40

The LORD delivered them before us; and we destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones.
- Deuteronomy 2:33-34 

Kill every male among the little ones.
- Numbers 31:17

The wind of the LORD shall come up from the wilderness, and his spring shall become dry, and...Samaria shall become desolate...they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.
- Hosea 13:15-16

With thee will I [the LORD] break in pieces the young man and the maid.
- Jeremiah 51:22

Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.
- Psalm 137:9 

According to the Bible, God gave orders to kill children and to rip open the bodies of pregnant women. The pestilences were sent by God. The frightful famine, during which the dying child with pallid lips sucked the withered bosom of his dead mother, was sent by God. God drowned an entire world with the exception of eight persons. Imagine how such acts would have stained the reputation of the devil!

Robert G. Ingersoll

According to the God of the Bible it was more important to stone a woman to death if she should â€œentice you to follow after other gods,â€ than it was to rescue the life of any fetus she might have been carrying. 

It was more important to stone a woman to death the day after her wedding night â€œif she was discovered not to have been a virgin,â€ than it was to wait and see if she might have conceived new life that night. 

It was more important to stone a woman to death for â€œadultery,â€ than to wait and see if she might be pregnant.

It was more important to stone a woman to death for â€œfailing to cry out while being raped within earshot of the city,â€ than it was to spare the life she might have conceived during that ordeal, during which the rapist may have held a knife to her throat, or strangled her into silence and submission.

And what about the test of â€œbitter waterâ€ mentioned in chapter five of the book of Numbers? The test consisted of mixing dust from the floor of the Hebrew tabernacle with â€œholy waterâ€ to make a concoction that a woman drank to test whether or not she had committed adultery. If she had, it says, â€œher belly will swell and her thigh will rot.â€ Scholars have pointed out that â€œthighâ€ is a euphemism for sexual organs. So if the woman had committed adultery and had conceived as a result, then the â€œbitter waterâ€ would induce an abortion (â€œher thigh would rotâ€). (I wonder if this means that Bible-believing women who are accused of having affairs ought to swallow some dirt from the floor of their church mixed with â€œholy water?â€ Or better yet, swallow an abortion pill like RU-486 in front of the whole congregation?)

And what about children who â€œcurse their parents?â€ The Bible says, â€œKill them!â€ (Ex. 21:17; Lev. 20:9; Mat. 15:4; Mark 7:10) The Bible does not say how old the child has to be, but it does emphatically state they must â€œsurely be put to deathâ€ should they â€œcurse their parents.â€ 

Ah, the good old days, when God fearing people had higher priorities than â€œsaving fetal lives.â€ They were too busy stoning whomever enticed them to worship other gods, stoning adulteresses, stoning women who werenâ€™t virgins on their wedding night, stoning women who â€œfailed to cry outâ€ during rape, and stoning sassy children. In other words they were too busy with all of those higher priorities to worry about â€œthe fate of fetuses.â€

Edward T. Babinski, editor of LEAVING THE FOLD: TESTIMONIES OF FORMER FUNDAMENTALISTS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo on the cartoon!</p>
<p>Scholars agree that the verse in Exodus is NOT speaking about a fetus being expelled by violence and surviving. Like that was even a possibility back then. It&#8217;s death is taken for granted, and the penalty of eye for eye only concerns what happens to the woman suffering the miscarriage. The fine is simply the payment for losing the future offspring. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s some major scholarly opinion on the subject: </p>
<p>Abortion as such is not discussed in the Bible, so any explanation of why it is not legislated or commented on is speculative.</p>
<p>A key text for examining ancient Israelite attitudes [toward the fetus] is Exodus 21:22-25: â€œWhen people who are fighting injure a pregnant woman so that there is a miscarriage, and yet no further harm follows, the one responsible shall be fined what the womanâ€™s husband demands, paying as much as the judges determine. If any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.â€ Several observations can be made about this passage.</p>
<p>The Hebrew text at v. 22 literally reads â€œand there is no harm,â€ implying that contrary to current sensibilities, the miscarriage itself was not considered serious injury. The monetary judgment given to the womanâ€™s husband indicates that the womanâ€™s experience of the miscarriage is not of significance, and that the damage is considered one to property rather than to human life. This latter observation is further supported by the contrast with the penalties for harm to the woman herself. </p>
<p>Drorah Oâ€™Donnell Setel, â€œAbortion,â€ The Oxford Guide to Ideas &amp; Issues of the Bible, ed. by Bruce Metzger and Michael D. Coogan (Oxford University Press, 2001)<br />
____________________________</p>
<p>There is no biblical proof-text against abortion. Deuteronomy 30:19 (â€œchoose lifeâ€) has nothing to do with abortion; it has to do with being party to Godâ€™s covenant with Israel. Psalm 139:13-18 is less relevant to the issue than most people think; a careful reading of that psalm reveals that the â€œmotherâ€ in whose â€œwombâ€ the psalmist was known by God is Mother Earth (notice the parallelism between â€œmy motherâ€™s wombâ€ and â€œthe depths of the earthâ€ in the inclusio of vv. 13-15). Exodus 21 is very difficult, but it certainly does not speak directly to abortion; at most, it relates to an accidentally induced miscarriage, though it may refer to a premature birth. That interpretive decision is crucial, and Iâ€™m not sure how to resolve it. As far as I can tell, the only biblical passage that I know of that directly mentions a practice like we would think of as abortion curses a man who did not practice it on the fetal Jeremiah (Jeremiah 20:16-18). Now, having said that, I hasten to repeat that my general default position is anti-abortion (I am willing to listen to arguments on specific cases, though Iâ€™ve never had any input into a specific case), and I think a biblical case can be made for an anti-abortion position. But it must be a cumulative theological case, not a list of proof-texts&#8211;for there are no such proof-texts.</p>
<p>Dr. R. Christopher Heard [Old Testament professor at Pepperdine University, lifelong member of Churches of Christ], â€œIs the Bible Anti-Abortion?â€ at his blog, Higgaion, Friday, November 18, 2005 <a href="http://www.heardworld.com/higgaion/2005/11/is-bible-anti-abortion.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.heardworld.com/higgaion/2005/11/is-bible-anti-abortion.html</a><br />
________________</p>
<p>BIBLE VERSES THAT MENTION MISCARRIAGES (â€œUNTIMELY BIRTHSâ€) AND SUGGEST THAT IN SOME CASES â€œNOT BEING BORNâ€ MIGHT HAVE BEEN BEST</p>
<p>Cursed be the day wherein I was born: let not the day wherein my mother bare me be blessed. Cursed be the man who brought tidings to my father, saying, A man child is born unto thee; making him very glad. And let that man be as the cities which the LORD overthrew, and repented not: and let him hear the cry in the morning, and the shouting at noontide; Because he slew me not from the womb; or that my mother might have been my grave, and her womb to be always great with me. Wherefore came I forth out of the womb to see labour and sorrow, that my days should be consumed with shame?<br />
- Jeremiah 20:14-18  </p>
<p>[This is the only Biblical passage that directly and indisputably mentions a practice that we would today think of as â€œabortion,â€ but notice, Jeremiah is cursing a man for NOT aborting the fetal Jeremiah.--E.T.B.]</p>
<p>Or as an hidden untimely birth I had not been; as infants which never saw light. There the wicked cease from troubling; and there the weary be at rest. There the prisoners rest together; they hear not the voice of the oppressor. The small and great are there; and the servant is free from his master.<br />
- Job 3:16-19</p>
<p>If a man beget an hundred children, and live many years, so that the days of his years be many, and his soul be not filled with good, and also that he have no burial; I say, that an untimely birth is better than he. For he cometh in with vanity, and departeth in darkness, and his name shall be covered with darkness. Moreover he hath not seen the sun, nor known any thing: this hath more rest than the other.<br />
- Ecclesiastes 6:3-5</p>
<p>And here&#8217;s some further food for thought for anyone who has read and studied the Bible concerning the topic of abortion and how much Yahweh &#8220;cares for&#8221; the fetus:  </p>
<p>HOW PRO-LIFE IS THE BIBLE?</p>
<p>According to the Bible, God Himself is ready, willing and able to abort fetuses:</p>
<p>Their fruit shalt Thou destroy from the earth, and their seed from among the children of men.<br />
- Psalm 21:10</p>
<p>The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they are born&#8230; let every one of them pass away: like the untimely birth of a woman, that they may not see the sun.<br />
- Psalm 58:3,8</p>
<p>As for Israel, their glory shall fly away like a bird, and from the womb, and from the conception&#8230;Give them, O Lord: what will Thou give? Give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts&#8230;they shall bear no fruit&#8230;<br />
- Hosea 9:11-16 </p>
<p>Notice that the prophet Hosea is pleading with his God to punish the Israelites by murdering their unborn babies. The Bible never really provides a logical rationale as to why fetuses, babies, and children must be punished for the sins of their parents and others. Some would suggest that for God to kill unborn babies for their parentâ€™s sins is somewhat misdirected retribution.</p>
<p>Gene Kasmar, WHYâ€¦The Brooklyn Center High School Bible Challenge. Part 1: The Evidence</p>
<p>Every living thing on the earth was drowned [by the Hebrew LORD--which included pregnant women and babies]&#8230;Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.<br />
- Genesis 7:23</p>
<p>Thus saith the LORD&#8230;Slay both man and woman, infant and suckling.<br />
- 1 Samuel 15:3 </p>
<p>Joshua destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD commanded.<br />
- Joshua 10:40</p>
<p>The LORD delivered them before us; and we destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones.<br />
- Deuteronomy 2:33-34 </p>
<p>Kill every male among the little ones.<br />
- Numbers 31:17</p>
<p>The wind of the LORD shall come up from the wilderness, and his spring shall become dry, and&#8230;Samaria shall become desolate&#8230;they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.<br />
- Hosea 13:15-16</p>
<p>With thee will I [the LORD] break in pieces the young man and the maid.<br />
- Jeremiah 51:22</p>
<p>Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.<br />
- Psalm 137:9 </p>
<p>According to the Bible, God gave orders to kill children and to rip open the bodies of pregnant women. The pestilences were sent by God. The frightful famine, during which the dying child with pallid lips sucked the withered bosom of his dead mother, was sent by God. God drowned an entire world with the exception of eight persons. Imagine how such acts would have stained the reputation of the devil!</p>
<p>Robert G. Ingersoll</p>
<p>According to the God of the Bible it was more important to stone a woman to death if she should â€œentice you to follow after other gods,â€ than it was to rescue the life of any fetus she might have been carrying. </p>
<p>It was more important to stone a woman to death the day after her wedding night â€œif she was discovered not to have been a virgin,â€ than it was to wait and see if she might have conceived new life that night. </p>
<p>It was more important to stone a woman to death for â€œadultery,â€ than to wait and see if she might be pregnant.</p>
<p>It was more important to stone a woman to death for â€œfailing to cry out while being raped within earshot of the city,â€ than it was to spare the life she might have conceived during that ordeal, during which the rapist may have held a knife to her throat, or strangled her into silence and submission.</p>
<p>And what about the test of â€œbitter waterâ€ mentioned in chapter five of the book of Numbers? The test consisted of mixing dust from the floor of the Hebrew tabernacle with â€œholy waterâ€ to make a concoction that a woman drank to test whether or not she had committed adultery. If she had, it says, â€œher belly will swell and her thigh will rot.â€ Scholars have pointed out that â€œthighâ€ is a euphemism for sexual organs. So if the woman had committed adultery and had conceived as a result, then the â€œbitter waterâ€ would induce an abortion (â€œher thigh would rotâ€). (I wonder if this means that Bible-believing women who are accused of having affairs ought to swallow some dirt from the floor of their church mixed with â€œholy water?â€ Or better yet, swallow an abortion pill like RU-486 in front of the whole congregation?)</p>
<p>And what about children who â€œcurse their parents?â€ The Bible says, â€œKill them!â€ (Ex. 21:17; Lev. 20:9; Mat. 15:4; Mark 7:10) The Bible does not say how old the child has to be, but it does emphatically state they must â€œsurely be put to deathâ€ should they â€œcurse their parents.â€ </p>
<p>Ah, the good old days, when God fearing people had higher priorities than â€œsaving fetal lives.â€ They were too busy stoning whomever enticed them to worship other gods, stoning adulteresses, stoning women who werenâ€™t virgins on their wedding night, stoning women who â€œfailed to cry outâ€ during rape, and stoning sassy children. In other words they were too busy with all of those higher priorities to worry about â€œthe fate of fetuses.â€</p>
<p>Edward T. Babinski, editor of LEAVING THE FOLD: TESTIMONIES OF FORMER FUNDAMENTALISTS</p>
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		<title>By: Norwegian Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Norwegian Guy</dc:creator>
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		<description>Whatever you say, whatever you do, whatever you think.

ABORTION IS THE WOMENS OWN CHOISE

I don&#039;t think a guy named Jeebus with a holy bible, God, Abraham, or some men with tÃƒÂ¼rban/white capes should decide wether a woman should abort, not abort, or just go die. The women should themselves take this choice, and without people running around messing &quot;ITS WRONG LOL! LYK IN DA BIBLE!&quot;.

The Bible/Koran/Whatever doesn&#039;t litterally say that ABORT IS WRONG, but it can be seen that way. It&#039;s the same as the anti-gay movements. It doesn&#039;t stand anywhere that it is wrong, but still people say &quot;OMG! LOL IT CAN BE READ LIKE THIS LOL, THINK NOW! GOD CREATED......&quot; It can, it says with other words, it fucks you up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever you say, whatever you do, whatever you think.</p>
<p>ABORTION IS THE WOMENS OWN CHOISE</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think a guy named Jeebus with a holy bible, God, Abraham, or some men with tÃƒÂ¼rban/white capes should decide wether a woman should abort, not abort, or just go die. The women should themselves take this choice, and without people running around messing &#8220;ITS WRONG LOL! LYK IN DA BIBLE!&#8221;.</p>
<p>The Bible/Koran/Whatever doesn&#8217;t litterally say that ABORT IS WRONG, but it can be seen that way. It&#8217;s the same as the anti-gay movements. It doesn&#8217;t stand anywhere that it is wrong, but still people say &#8220;OMG! LOL IT CAN BE READ LIKE THIS LOL, THINK NOW! GOD CREATED&#8230;&#8230;&#8221; It can, it says with other words, it fucks you up.</p>
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		<title>By: CESAR PRADA</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/10/22/women/#comment-62862</link>
		<dc:creator>CESAR PRADA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>como se les ocurre decir que el aborto es bueno, el unico encargado de dar la vida es Dios y por lo tanto tAMBIEN de quitarla, un hombre no puede decidir sobre una mujer, y si la mujer lo decide atengase a las consecuencias. pero Jesucristo es nuestro redentor, el nos perdona nuestros pecados si haY VERDARERO ARREPENTIMIENTO, ASI QUE ENTREGALE TU VIDA A JESUS QUE EL HARA EL RESTO</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>como se les ocurre decir que el aborto es bueno, el unico encargado de dar la vida es Dios y por lo tanto tAMBIEN de quitarla, un hombre no puede decidir sobre una mujer, y si la mujer lo decide atengase a las consecuencias. pero Jesucristo es nuestro redentor, el nos perdona nuestros pecados si haY VERDARERO ARREPENTIMIENTO, ASI QUE ENTREGALE TU VIDA A JESUS QUE EL HARA EL RESTO</p>
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		<title>By: Autumn</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/10/22/women/#comment-62305</link>
		<dc:creator>Autumn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 05:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aside from the debate about what the ancient Hebrew ( a language long dead by the time of Christianity, much less now) may have meant to those who spoke it in terms of miscarriage or premature birth, the next verses in Exodus very clearly show that the Hebrew god didn&#039;t care a bit about fully grown and self-aware people forced into a lifetime of bondage (not the good kind).
Elhoim was very obviously a vicious git who is so unwholesome that anybody adopting a morality based on his &quot;teachings&quot; is very likely psychotic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aside from the debate about what the ancient Hebrew ( a language long dead by the time of Christianity, much less now) may have meant to those who spoke it in terms of miscarriage or premature birth, the next verses in Exodus very clearly show that the Hebrew god didn&#8217;t care a bit about fully grown and self-aware people forced into a lifetime of bondage (not the good kind).<br />
Elhoim was very obviously a vicious git who is so unwholesome that anybody adopting a morality based on his &#8220;teachings&#8221; is very likely psychotic.</p>
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