Comments on: clay http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/09/25/clay/ Two prophets, living together. Sat, 11 Feb 2012 00:52:27 +0000 hourly 1 By: jONES. http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/09/25/clay/#comment-60043 jONES. Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:58:39 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/09/25/clay/#comment-60043 I dunno how a "passionate athiest" is supposed to think, but it's probably a good thing that I'm at least some kind of athiest because I think i'd get blasted by a lightning bolt for just visiting this site otherwise... :P I dunno how a “passionate athiest” is supposed to think, but it’s probably a good thing that I’m at least some kind of athiest because I think i’d get blasted by a lightning bolt for just visiting this site otherwise… :P

]]> By: Joe D http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/09/25/clay/#comment-57409 Joe D Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:06:34 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/09/25/clay/#comment-57409 I do speak of cognitive dissonance, but not <i>only</i> of cognitive dissonance -- at least, not as I understand the concept. Cognitive dissonance, as I understand it, accounts for people rejecting new ideas because they are logically incompatable with existing ideas. I'm talking about people rejecting new ideas because they are incompatable with their <i>way of thinking</i>, in which logic plays little part. If your way of thinking is faith, you can not be convinced of any "fact" by those whose way of thinking is logic and reason (and vice versa). I think this distinction is at the heart of the arguments over "new atheism"/"passionate atheism"/"Dawkins-Hitchinsism"/whatever it's called today: the critics generally fail to realise that this isn't about what people hold to be true, so much as how they think. I do speak of cognitive dissonance, but not only of cognitive dissonance — at least, not as I understand the concept. Cognitive dissonance, as I understand it, accounts for people rejecting new ideas because they are logically incompatable with existing ideas. I’m talking about people rejecting new ideas because they are incompatable with their way of thinking, in which logic plays little part. If your way of thinking is faith, you can not be convinced of any “fact” by those whose way of thinking is logic and reason (and vice versa).

I think this distinction is at the heart of the arguments over “new atheism”/”passionate atheism”/”Dawkins-Hitchinsism”/whatever it’s called today: the critics generally fail to realise that this isn’t about what people hold to be true, so much as how they think.

]]> By: Jerrry w. http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/09/25/clay/#comment-57311 Jerrry w. Fri, 28 Sep 2007 00:30:10 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/09/25/clay/#comment-57311 Joe D., You speak to cognitive dissonance, if it won't fit neatly into your frame of reference, it just doesn't exist. Have a look at what Scott Adams is doing in his daily Dilbert blog, like the one for Sept. 27, 2007: This lack of ability to even visualize another's point of view is the reason the world is in such a fine state, best summed up by a quote that I can't exactly recall or give credit to, as I heard it much too long ago. It goes something like: Praise the man who seeks god, run from the man who says that he's found god. Me? I'm worried by anyone of any religion that must wear a certain style of clothing or a certain hair style, keep on some schedule of ritual observation that is not of his choice, or keep hair in one place or keep it absent in order to relate to some god. http://boskolives.wordpress.com/ Joe D.,
You speak to cognitive dissonance, if it won’t fit neatly into your frame of reference, it just doesn’t exist. Have a look at what Scott Adams is doing in his daily Dilbert blog, like the one for Sept. 27, 2007:

This lack of ability to even visualize another’s point of view is the reason the world is in such a fine state, best summed up by a quote that I can’t exactly recall or give credit to, as I heard it much too long ago. It goes something like: Praise the man who seeks god, run from the man who says that he’s found god.

Me? I’m worried by anyone of any religion that must wear a certain style of clothing or a certain hair style, keep on some schedule of ritual observation that is not of his choice, or keep hair in one place or keep it absent in order to relate to some god.

http://boskolives.wordpress.com/

]]> By: Joe D http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/09/25/clay/#comment-57138 Joe D Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:24:13 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/09/25/clay/#comment-57138 JayBee and jONES: While I agree entirely that this site is fantastic, I think you seriously underestimate the ability of religious people to deflect criticism like this -- a symptom of a wider underestimate of the difference between rational and religious thinking. We're talking about a whole different system of thinking, not an everyday difference of opinion: it's why JayBee's use of the word "logical" doesn't apply. When you have been brought up in that system, and shielded from all other ideas and ways of thinking, the behaviour being mocked is <i>not</i> weird. It is why so many people accuse atheists of hating God; it is not some rhetorical trick: due to their upbringing, and the limited set of ideas they have been exposed to, they are mentally incapable of visualising of a world without God, and therefore mentally incapable of understanding what an atheist is. JayBee and jONES: While I agree entirely that this site is fantastic, I think you seriously underestimate the ability of religious people to deflect criticism like this — a symptom of a wider underestimate of the difference between rational and religious thinking. We’re talking about a whole different system of thinking, not an everyday difference of opinion: it’s why JayBee’s use of the word “logical” doesn’t apply. When you have been brought up in that system, and shielded from all other ideas and ways of thinking, the behaviour being mocked is not weird. It is why so many people accuse atheists of hating God; it is not some rhetorical trick: due to their upbringing, and the limited set of ideas they have been exposed to, they are mentally incapable of visualising of a world without God, and therefore mentally incapable of understanding what an atheist is.

]]> By: Daggetto http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/09/25/clay/#comment-57129 Daggetto Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:00:23 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/09/25/clay/#comment-57129 Awesome! Flush the evil clay people, hehe. Right in the heart of abrahamic god-beliefs :D Awesome!
Flush the evil clay people, hehe.
Right in the heart of abrahamic god-beliefs :D

]]> By: Daniel Elstner http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/09/25/clay/#comment-57064 Daniel Elstner Wed, 26 Sep 2007 00:03:29 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/09/25/clay/#comment-57064 ~/o Dreidel dreidel dreidel, I made you out of clay ~/o ~/o Dreidel dreidel dreidel, with dreidel I shall play ~/o Sorry. Watched way too much South Park and I sooo love Kyle. :-) ~/o Dreidel dreidel dreidel, I made you out of clay ~/o
~/o Dreidel dreidel dreidel, with dreidel I shall play ~/o

Sorry. Watched way too much South Park and I sooo love Kyle. :-)

]]> By: TB http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/09/25/clay/#comment-57050 TB Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:07:18 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/09/25/clay/#comment-57050 Not bad, though 4 frames aren't enough for that story! Author needs to improve it! I mean, like baking one man from darker clay and making a few jokes about sons of Ham (Biblical source of Africans) and stuff... Great work though. Not bad, though 4 frames aren’t enough for that story! Author needs to improve it! I mean, like baking one man from darker clay and making a few jokes about sons of Ham (Biblical source of Africans) and stuff…

Great work though.

]]> By: jONES. http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/09/25/clay/#comment-57015 jONES. Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:33:43 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/09/25/clay/#comment-57015 If I weren't already an Athiest I'd be having serious doubts about my religious beliefs. But rather than being a believer who says "I stand Converted", I'd rather say "I think, therefore I'm not." But those holy books sure were great stories when they were written. You think in two thousand years people will be living by the Gospel according to Robert Jordan? If I weren’t already an Athiest I’d be having serious doubts about my religious beliefs. But rather than being a believer who says “I stand Converted”, I’d rather say “I think, therefore I’m not.”

But those holy books sure were great stories when they were written. You think in two thousand years people will be living by the Gospel according to Robert Jordan?

]]> By: JayBee http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/09/25/clay/#comment-57009 JayBee Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:21:33 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/09/25/clay/#comment-57009 This comic should convert any logical human being to an athesit... on another hand, I love it! It's classical! This comic should convert any logical human being to an athesit…
on another hand, I love it! It’s classical!

]]> By: arensb http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/09/25/clay/#comment-57008 arensb Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:10:33 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/09/25/clay/#comment-57008 Is that a reference to Noah's flood? I bet you could have similar fun with <a href="http://www.ooblick.com/weblog/2007/09/20/retelling-the-classics/" rel="nofollow">the tower or Babel</a>. Is that a reference to Noah’s flood? I bet you could have similar fun with the tower or Babel.

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