Comments on: clear http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/09/14/clear/ Two prophets, living together. Sat, 11 Feb 2012 00:52:27 +0000 hourly 1 By: Siquo http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/09/14/clear/#comment-64222 Siquo Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:59:10 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/09/14/clear/#comment-64222 To be a wise-ass: Wouldn't it be the 15th century according to Mohammed's calendar? To be a wise-ass: Wouldn’t it be the 15th century according to Mohammed’s calendar?

]]> By: JayBee http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/09/14/clear/#comment-55905 JayBee Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:32:39 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/09/14/clear/#comment-55905 Mo seems to be REALLY answering the question... Oh pardon me, most muslims faced with such questions do that; they must follow their prophet's great example! Mo seems to be REALLY answering the question…
Oh pardon me, most muslims faced with such questions do that; they must follow their prophet’s great example!

]]> By: tie http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/09/14/clear/#comment-55888 tie Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:06:55 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/09/14/clear/#comment-55888 <blockquote> "I don’t see the big deal with Taqiyya,"</blockquote> well, Hypocrisy and platitudes as a way of spreading your ideas, plus hiding your true intentions when needed ... all mandated by the creator of the universe... nothing wrong with that...

“I don’t see the big deal with Taqiyya,”

well, Hypocrisy and platitudes as a way of spreading your ideas, plus hiding your true intentions when needed … all mandated by the creator of the universe…

nothing wrong with that…

]]> By: Don http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/09/14/clear/#comment-55819 Don Sun, 16 Sep 2007 15:38:29 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/09/14/clear/#comment-55819 I don't see the big deal with Taqiyya. How is it different from, 'The truth is preferable, but if lying gets you out of a jam then lie your ass off.' What's wrong with that? Works for me. I don’t see the big deal with Taqiyya. How is it different from, ‘The truth is preferable, but if lying gets you out of a jam then lie your ass off.’ What’s wrong with that? Works for me.

]]> By: Hobbes http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/09/14/clear/#comment-55809 Hobbes Sun, 16 Sep 2007 13:01:59 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/09/14/clear/#comment-55809 Toast, We now need to define "truth." I submit there are two kinds of truth. 1. Objective truth: A proposition for which there is ample objective evidence in support, e.g., the heliocentric nature of our solar system. 2. Subjective truth: A proposition for which there is no objective evidence in support (may even be objective evidence against), e.g., the earth-centric nature of the universe, as suggested in the "Bible." "Objective" defined as existing in reality (the physical world), as opposed to existing only in the mind. "Subjective" defined as existing in the mind as opposed to existing in the physical world. <b>The unexamined belief is not worth believing.</b> Toast,

We now need to define “truth.” I submit there are two kinds of truth.

1. Objective truth: A proposition for which there is ample objective evidence in support, e.g., the heliocentric nature of our solar system.

2. Subjective truth: A proposition for which there is no objective evidence in support (may even be objective evidence against), e.g., the earth-centric nature of the universe, as suggested in the “Bible.”

“Objective” defined as existing in reality (the physical world), as opposed to existing only in the mind.

“Subjective” defined as existing in the mind as opposed to existing in the physical world.

The unexamined belief is not worth believing.

]]> By: Toast in the machine http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/09/14/clear/#comment-55712 Toast in the machine Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:19:56 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/09/14/clear/#comment-55712 “Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish it through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible..., and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory. ...One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie…” Ahmad ibn Naqib al-Misri, The Reliance of the Traveller, translated by Nuh Ha Mim Keller, Amana publications, 1997, section r8.2, page 745 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya Likewise with Tariq Ramadan: "...and when he is cornered with questions on the brutality of some punishments of Islamic law, such as stoning, he tells us that he is against them, but (there is always a "but") they are in Quranic texts and so he cannot fully condemn them..." http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/defenseandsecurity/a/ramadantxt_2.htm There seems to be a pattern here... “Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish it through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible…, and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory. …One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie…”

Ahmad ibn Naqib al-Misri, The Reliance of the Traveller, translated by Nuh Ha Mim Keller, Amana publications, 1997, section r8.2, page 745

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya

Likewise with Tariq Ramadan: “…and when he is cornered with questions on the brutality of some punishments of Islamic law, such as stoning, he tells us that he is against them, but (there is always a “but”) they are in Quranic texts and so he cannot fully condemn them…”

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/defenseandsecurity/a/ramadantxt_2.htm

There seems to be a pattern here…

]]> By: Chris http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/09/14/clear/#comment-55682 Chris Sat, 15 Sep 2007 03:29:16 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/09/14/clear/#comment-55682 Why run for office when you can get people to accept you as their unquestioned supreme religious leader? Mo was a clever little bastard in real life as well :) Why run for office when you can get people to accept you as their unquestioned supreme religious leader? Mo was a clever little bastard in real life as well :)

]]> By: TB http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/09/14/clear/#comment-55655 TB Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:31:48 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/09/14/clear/#comment-55655 Beating around the bush: Helping dickheaded parents, teachers, religious men and politicians retain their authority over millenia. Beating around the bush: Helping dickheaded parents, teachers, religious men and politicians retain their authority over millenia.

]]> By: arensb http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/09/14/clear/#comment-55630 arensb Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:30:51 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/09/14/clear/#comment-55630 tie: Ah, the exquisite Dance of the Seven Questions. That's a useful skill in a politician. She should run for office. tie:
Ah, the exquisite Dance of the Seven Questions. That’s a useful skill in a politician. She should run for office.

]]> By: Jonathan http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/09/14/clear/#comment-55616 Jonathan Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:38:56 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/09/14/clear/#comment-55616 Treble taqiyyas all round!! Treble taqiyyas all round!!

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