Comments on: sense http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/08/10/sense/ Two prophets, living together. Sat, 11 Feb 2012 00:52:27 +0000 hourly 1 By: fenchurch http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/08/10/sense/#comment-175227 fenchurch Fri, 07 Oct 2011 21:59:52 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/08/10/sense/#comment-175227 @Michael: the other irony of Jason's is that he previously declared he would never come to this site again to fight our verbal battles. As incoherent as that declaration is, I thought it meant he wouldn't show his dripping-with-egg face here anymore. @Michael: the other irony of Jason’s is that he previously declared he would never come to this site again to fight our verbal battles.
As incoherent as that declaration is, I thought it meant he wouldn’t show his dripping-with-egg face here anymore.

]]> By: Michael http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/08/10/sense/#comment-166504 Michael Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:55:07 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/08/10/sense/#comment-166504 Sorry to add a post so late on, I just love the irony in Jason's post: "He said that the second greatest commandment is to love your neighbor as yourself. Therefore I must conclude that nothing other than ignorance, pride and bitterness fueled this comic strip." Way to show the love Jason! Sorry to add a post so late on, I just love the irony in Jason’s post: “He said that the second greatest commandment is to love your neighbor as yourself. Therefore I must conclude that nothing other than ignorance, pride and bitterness fueled this comic strip.” Way to show the love Jason!

]]> By: think person http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/08/10/sense/#comment-125773 think person Mon, 08 Dec 2008 06:18:56 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/08/10/sense/#comment-125773 we have law that cover that. Look at OJ. God must have loved stupid people He made so many. What happened to Santa Clause, do we still believe. we have law that cover that. Look at OJ.
God must have loved stupid people He made so many.
What happened to Santa Clause, do we still believe.

]]> By: Toast in the machine http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/08/10/sense/#comment-55071 Toast in the machine Sun, 09 Sep 2007 03:19:28 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/08/10/sense/#comment-55071 Chris, I'm sorry if you're at a disadvantage because English isn't your first language, but if that is the case, I feel it is leading to problems in this discussion - I'm having difficulty understanding exactly what your point is. You quote my post: '"Your christian beliefs ‘feel right’; the beliefs of the sikh extremists who attacked the theatre in Birmingham last year ‘felt right’; the beliefs of the 4 suicide truck bombers who massacred 250 Yezidis in Northern Iraq yesterday ‘felt right’. Feeling right isn’t enough to justify a position.” Those things are obviously not forcing someones beliefs on another. Yep killing innocent nonbelievers is just an act of feeling right in a nonforceful way.' The section you quote illustrates different degrees of behaviour, all based on nothing more than 'feeling right'. The outcomes are obviously different. Breaking the windows of a theatre and forcing a production to close is obviously less serious than murdering several hundred people, yet the 'justification' for these actions is the same - it 'feels right' to the believers. My point - I'm sorry I didn't express it simply enough for you to understand originally - is that if the only criterion for accepting or restricting other peoples' behaviour is that it 'feels right' to someone or some group, then you will never have a fair or just system, because anyone who is willing to attack or threaten another person or group will get their own way. You complain that 'I’m not allowed to have my beliefs.’ - yet you haven't shown any evidence to back this up. I think everyone reading this would be perfectly happy for you to have your own beliefs, however irrational they may be. Your <b>beliefs</b> are not grounds for special treatment. Other people can question, criticise or ridicule or reject them. If you want to try to justify them, that's up to you. You have the freedom of speech to do that, but you do not have the legal or moral right to prevent other people from saying that your beliefs are wrong. Chris, I’m sorry if you’re at a disadvantage because English isn’t your first language, but if that is the case, I feel it is leading to problems in this discussion – I’m having difficulty understanding exactly what your point is.

You quote my post:

‘”Your christian beliefs ‘feel right’; the beliefs of the sikh extremists who attacked the theatre in Birmingham last year ‘felt right’; the beliefs of the 4 suicide truck bombers who massacred 250 Yezidis in Northern Iraq yesterday ‘felt right’. Feeling right isn’t enough to justify a position.”

Those things are obviously not forcing someones beliefs on another. Yep killing innocent nonbelievers is just an act of feeling right in a nonforceful way.’

The section you quote illustrates different degrees of behaviour, all based on nothing more than ‘feeling right’. The outcomes are obviously different. Breaking the windows of a theatre and forcing a production to close is obviously less serious than murdering several hundred people, yet the ‘justification’ for these actions is the same – it ‘feels right’ to the believers. My point – I’m sorry I didn’t express it simply enough for you to understand originally – is that if the only criterion for accepting or restricting other peoples’ behaviour is that it ‘feels right’ to someone or some group, then you will never have a fair or just system, because anyone who is willing to attack or threaten another person or group will get their own way.

You complain that ‘I’m not allowed to have my beliefs.’ – yet you haven’t shown any evidence to back this up. I think everyone reading this would be perfectly happy for you to have your own beliefs, however irrational they may be. Your beliefs are not grounds for special treatment. Other people can question, criticise or ridicule or reject them. If you want to try to justify them, that’s up to you. You have the freedom of speech to do that, but you do not have the legal or moral right to prevent other people from saying that your beliefs are wrong.

]]> By: Chris http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/08/10/sense/#comment-54283 Chris Sat, 01 Sep 2007 03:55:29 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/08/10/sense/#comment-54283 Wow that was easy to point out that feeling right is so wrong. Yep, every time someone mentions their beliefs without "forcing" them on others make sure you use the same argument. Because as you say in length "Your christian beliefs ‘feel right’; the beliefs of the sikh extremists who attacked the theatre in Birmingham last year ‘felt right’; the beliefs of the 4 suicide truck bombers who massacred 250 Yezidis in Northern Iraq yesterday ‘felt right’. Feeling right isn’t enough to justify a position." Those things are obviously not forcing someones beliefs on another. Yep killing innocent nonbelievers is just an act of feeling right in a nonforceful way. Lets face it though someone will always use extremes for examples; be they bombers or bloggers. I just want the average person to take a step back, cut out the higher than mighty "I'm a Christian", "I'm an Atheist", "I'm a ...." your wrong if you don't agree crap. I could use extremes out there I'm sure of famous atheist, blacks, catholics, jews, muslims, shintos, ping pong players, or even a combo of them who did all or one of the following.... Molested Killed Bombed Left the toilet seat up Ate pork went to Disney World more than once (gasp) Stepped on a crack Wow that was easy to point out that feeling right is so wrong. Yep, every time someone mentions their beliefs without “forcing” them on others make sure you use the same argument. Because as you say in length

“Your christian beliefs ‘feel right’; the beliefs of the sikh extremists who attacked the theatre in Birmingham last year ‘felt right’; the beliefs of the 4 suicide truck bombers who massacred 250 Yezidis in Northern Iraq yesterday ‘felt right’. Feeling right isn’t enough to justify a position.”

Those things are obviously not forcing someones beliefs on another. Yep killing innocent nonbelievers is just an act of feeling right in a nonforceful way.

Lets face it though someone will always use extremes for examples; be they bombers or bloggers.

I just want the average person to take a step back, cut out the higher than mighty “I’m a Christian”, “I’m an Atheist”, “I’m a ….” your wrong if you don’t agree crap.

I could use extremes out there I’m sure of famous atheist, blacks, catholics, jews, muslims, shintos, ping pong players, or even a combo of them who did all or one of the following….

Molested
Killed
Bombed
Left the toilet seat up
Ate pork
went to Disney World more than once (gasp)
Stepped on a crack

]]> By: Pepper http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/08/10/sense/#comment-54189 Pepper Fri, 31 Aug 2007 07:38:16 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/08/10/sense/#comment-54189 Jason: You do realize that you just contradicted yourself. You say that Jesus never said to do good because God says so, but then you say He mentioned the second greatest commandment is to "love your neighbor as yourself" Hmmm..who commands this? I think it might be God. So the question still stands: Do you only love your neighbor as yourself because God told you to? Would you decide it was OK to go around killing and raping and stealing if somehow it was proven that there was no God or if you simply lost your faith? Jason:

You do realize that you just contradicted yourself. You say that Jesus never said to do good because God says so, but then you say He mentioned the second greatest commandment is to “love your neighbor as yourself” Hmmm..who commands this? I think it might be God. So the question still stands: Do you only love your neighbor as yourself because God told you to? Would you decide it was OK to go around killing and raping and stealing if somehow it was proven that there was no God or if you simply lost your faith?

]]> By: Parv http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/08/10/sense/#comment-53647 Parv Sun, 26 Aug 2007 23:48:20 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/08/10/sense/#comment-53647 I just had a look at the aquinas arguments; though i respect that the man probably had a high intellect, but in today's day and age i just DO NOT understand how anyone could call these arguments amazing! There are flaws in every single argument, an example being the obvious: ackownledgement of infinite regress and the subsequent u-turn which states otherwise. Also, the perfection argument, for which you dn't have to be a genius to recognize that though it may follow, it is utterly tautological, assuming perfection. Go jesusandmo; love ur cartoons. I just had a look at the aquinas arguments; though i respect that the man probably had a high intellect, but in today’s day and age i just DO NOT understand how anyone could call these arguments amazing! There are flaws in every single argument, an example being the obvious: ackownledgement of infinite regress and the subsequent u-turn which states otherwise.
Also, the perfection argument, for which you dn’t have to be a genius to recognize that though it may follow, it is utterly tautological, assuming perfection.

Go jesusandmo; love ur cartoons.

]]> By: tikimusic http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/08/10/sense/#comment-52417 tikimusic Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:22:43 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/08/10/sense/#comment-52417 To Carolita, the decades of the Cold War show the opposite. To Carolita, the decades of the Cold War show the opposite.

]]> By: Tom http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/08/10/sense/#comment-52393 Tom Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:28:28 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/08/10/sense/#comment-52393 Steven Weinberg put it very well: "Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion.” Steven Weinberg put it very well:

“Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you’d have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion.”

]]> By: Toast in the machine http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/08/10/sense/#comment-52234 Toast in the machine Thu, 16 Aug 2007 00:02:39 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/08/10/sense/#comment-52234 'Yet,I'm not allowed to have my beliefs.' http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/1464/christianoppressionfv0.gif If people keep their beliefs to themselves, and don't ask for special treatment - education, tax breaks, political influence, laws, exemption from public criticism - that would be fair enough. Religionists in this category are thin on the ground however. Your christian beliefs 'feel right'; the beliefs of the sikh extremists who attacked the theatre in Birmingham last year 'felt right'; the beliefs of the 4 suicide truck bombers who massacred 250 Yezidis in Northern Iraq yesterday 'felt right'. Feeling right isn't enough to justify a position. ‘Yet,I’m not allowed to have my beliefs.’

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/1464/christianoppressionfv0.gif

If people keep their beliefs to themselves, and don’t ask for special treatment – education, tax breaks, political influence, laws, exemption from public criticism – that would be fair enough. Religionists in this category are thin on the ground however.

Your christian beliefs ‘feel right’; the beliefs of the sikh extremists who attacked the theatre in Birmingham last year ‘felt right’; the beliefs of the 4 suicide truck bombers who massacred 250 Yezidis in Northern Iraq yesterday ‘felt right’. Feeling right isn’t enough to justify a position.

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