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	<title>Comments on: cause</title>
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	<description>Two prophets, living together.</description>
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		<title>By: Teralek</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/02/05/cause/#comment-168606</link>
		<dc:creator>Teralek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jun 2010 23:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Be careful author... you&#039;re dangerously close to the Kalam cosmological argument :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalam_cosmological_argument</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be careful author&#8230; you&#8217;re dangerously close to the Kalam cosmological argument <img src='http://www.jesusandmo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalam_cosmological_argument" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalam_cosmological_argument</a></p>
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		<title>By: Exceive</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/02/05/cause/#comment-165504</link>
		<dc:creator>Exceive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 01:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, here&#039;s a thought experiment:

Let&#039;s say I&#039;m doing that psych experiment where I try to get my subjects to push a button to shock somebody. One of my subjects is Gandhi, and the other is some random kid who hasn&#039;t developed his response to authority.

I can predict what Gandhi is going to do: he&#039;ll refuse. The kid, I can only give you statistical probabilities. 

It seems to me, though, that Gandhi has more free will (if such a thing exists) than the kid - Gandhi acts exactly according to his own will, and the kid kind of flaps in the breeze.

Or consider a sober driver VS an out-of-control drunk driver. You pretty much know where the sober person&#039;s car is going to be 5 seconds from now - on the road, in the correct lane. The drunk driver&#039;s car could be anywhere. The sober driver&#039;s will is the more free: he gets where he wants to be.

So free will is not the same as unpredictability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, here&#8217;s a thought experiment:</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say I&#8217;m doing that psych experiment where I try to get my subjects to push a button to shock somebody. One of my subjects is Gandhi, and the other is some random kid who hasn&#8217;t developed his response to authority.</p>
<p>I can predict what Gandhi is going to do: he&#8217;ll refuse. The kid, I can only give you statistical probabilities. </p>
<p>It seems to me, though, that Gandhi has more free will (if such a thing exists) than the kid &#8211; Gandhi acts exactly according to his own will, and the kid kind of flaps in the breeze.</p>
<p>Or consider a sober driver VS an out-of-control drunk driver. You pretty much know where the sober person&#8217;s car is going to be 5 seconds from now &#8211; on the road, in the correct lane. The drunk driver&#8217;s car could be anywhere. The sober driver&#8217;s will is the more free: he gets where he wants to be.</p>
<p>So free will is not the same as unpredictability.</p>
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		<title>By: yours truly</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/02/05/cause/#comment-142116</link>
		<dc:creator>yours truly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 11:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So your argument would be that we are predestined by the knowledge of god, but still liable for the decisions we make? Do you write insurance contracts by any chance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So your argument would be that we are predestined by the knowledge of god, but still liable for the decisions we make? Do you write insurance contracts by any chance?</p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/02/05/cause/#comment-137901</link>
		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 03:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Free will and omniscience/omnipotence can go together. You can make your own free choices. God knows these choices in advance, but he&#039;s not going to force you to do something in a certain way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Free will and omniscience/omnipotence can go together. You can make your own free choices. God knows these choices in advance, but he&#8217;s not going to force you to do something in a certain way.</p>
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		<title>By: Hobbes</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/02/05/cause/#comment-10310</link>
		<dc:creator>Hobbes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2007 12:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesus and Mo poop? Holy Scat!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesus and Mo poop? Holy Scat!</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/02/05/cause/#comment-9036</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 20:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesus poops too. And scoffed at his mother when she said they were out of wine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesus poops too. And scoffed at his mother when she said they were out of wine.</p>
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		<title>By: Saint Gasoline</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/02/05/cause/#comment-8924</link>
		<dc:creator>Saint Gasoline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 19:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess this means Jesus can&#039;t be held responsible for slapping the living daylights out of Mo for leaving a turd clog, then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess this means Jesus can&#8217;t be held responsible for slapping the living daylights out of Mo for leaving a turd clog, then.</p>
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		<title>By: Sir Beast</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/02/05/cause/#comment-8903</link>
		<dc:creator>Sir Beast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 13:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everybody poops - even Muhammed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everybody poops &#8211; even Muhammed!</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Bailey</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/02/05/cause/#comment-8735</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 21:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always enjoyed Arthur Schopenhauer, not necessarily for his pessimism, but for his reasonable approach to art and aesthetics. It hasn&#039;t been until now that I&#039;ve noticed that he appears to be similar to a stuffed &#039;teddy-bear&#039;. My favorites from Schopenhauer: &#039;Parerga and Paralipomena&#039; and &#039;ÃƒÅ“ber die vierfache Wurzel des Satzes vom zureichenden Grunde&#039;. Let us not also forget the art of excremeditation as elucidated by the SubGenii; and that according to Monty Python, Brian Cohen was crucified also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always enjoyed Arthur Schopenhauer, not necessarily for his pessimism, but for his reasonable approach to art and aesthetics. It hasn&#8217;t been until now that I&#8217;ve noticed that he appears to be similar to a stuffed &#8216;teddy-bear&#8217;. My favorites from Schopenhauer: &#8216;Parerga and Paralipomena&#8217; and &#8216;ÃƒÅ“ber die vierfache Wurzel des Satzes vom zureichenden Grunde&#8217;. Let us not also forget the art of excremeditation as elucidated by the SubGenii; and that according to Monty Python, Brian Cohen was crucified also.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/02/05/cause/#comment-8733</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 21:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to Quran Jesus isn&#039;t crucified, Judas is. Jesus ascended to heaven etc...

And yes, Omniscience and Omnipotence and free will do not mix together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to Quran Jesus isn&#8217;t crucified, Judas is. Jesus ascended to heaven etc&#8230;</p>
<p>And yes, Omniscience and Omnipotence and free will do not mix together.</p>
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