Comments on: horse http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/12/06/horse/ Two prophets, living together. Sat, 11 Feb 2012 00:52:27 +0000 hourly 1 By: beerslayer http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/12/06/horse/#comment-175279 beerslayer Sat, 15 Oct 2011 00:27:33 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/12/06/horse/#comment-175279 To me, suicide = taking action to end your own life. The circumstances are pretty much irrelevant. If you throw yourself in front of a bus to save your three-year-old child, that's suicide, regardless of whether or not you wanted to die. To me, suicide = taking action to end your own life. The circumstances are pretty much irrelevant. If you throw yourself in front of a bus to save your three-year-old child, that’s suicide, regardless of whether or not you wanted to die.

]]> By: greg http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/12/06/horse/#comment-174605 greg Mon, 25 Jul 2011 02:50:09 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/12/06/horse/#comment-174605 @cassandra Well as he could have simply not dies, it was basically suicide/suicide by cop. Also for the whole of christian theology to work Jesus had to die for mankind's sins. However if he hadnt been martyred what would have happened? would we all be screwed? Basically Judas gets shafted for doing what had to be done. here is a very simple sketch showing the exact and obvious flaw in the thought of thinking he was martyred. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9_1RFAcjMU&feature=related @cassandra

Well as he could have simply not dies, it was basically suicide/suicide by cop.

Also for the whole of christian theology to work Jesus had to die for mankind’s sins. However if he hadnt been martyred what would have happened? would we all be screwed?
Basically Judas gets shafted for doing what had to be done.

here is a very simple sketch showing the exact and obvious flaw in the thought of thinking he was martyred.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9_1RFAcjMU&feature=related

]]> By: Teralek http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/12/06/horse/#comment-168603 Teralek Sun, 13 Jun 2010 23:07:22 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/12/06/horse/#comment-168603 I am for a more Gandhian approach to religion. So quoting the scriptures by the letter is always misleading. Another advice is not to search "God" only in one book but everywhere. I am for a more Gandhian approach to religion. So quoting the scriptures by the letter is always misleading. Another advice is not to search “God” only in one book but everywhere.

]]> By: Alfie Bass http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/12/06/horse/#comment-162695 Alfie Bass Thu, 28 Jan 2010 05:10:55 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/12/06/horse/#comment-162695 cassandra. If suicide to you equals an act prompted by a feeling of misery and despair then why not think of Christ's act as being like a Kami-kaze pilot or a suicide bomber. cassandra. If suicide to you equals an act prompted by a feeling of misery and despair then why not think of Christ’s act as being like a Kami-kaze pilot or a suicide bomber.

]]> By: mike3 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/12/06/horse/#comment-142832 mike3 Sun, 12 Apr 2009 22:56:44 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/12/06/horse/#comment-142832 "Actually, I’d be a lot less assertively atheist if LOTR was the sacred text of the predominant religion. It’s far better literature than the bible and has far better moral standards (which isn’t hard to achieve, admittedly.) For historical accuracy it’s a draw." Why go and think the "predominant" religion has to be the only one that matters -- and other, *non*-predominant religions don't -- so if the predominant one is "bad" then you have to go bust, to hard atheism, instead of to one of those other religions? That makes no sense. And do "far better moral standards" also include restrictions on sex? As that is important, like it or not. (remember, it is as poweful as the sword -- just in the opposite direction: it begins life, while the sword ends it. Due to that, it deserves laws and rules to regulate it and sure it is used properly. IT also has all sorts of other ramifcations, too.) “Actually, I’d be a lot less assertively atheist if LOTR was the sacred text of the predominant religion. It’s far better literature than the bible and has far better moral standards (which isn’t hard to achieve, admittedly.) For historical accuracy it’s a draw.”

Why go and think the “predominant” religion has to be the only one that matters — and other, *non*-predominant religions don’t — so if the predominant one is “bad” then you have to go bust, to hard atheism, instead of to one of those other religions? That makes no sense.

And do “far better moral standards” also include restrictions on sex? As that is important, like it or not. (remember, it is as poweful as the sword — just in the opposite direction: it begins life, while the sword ends it. Due to that, it deserves laws and rules to regulate it and sure it is used properly. IT also has all sorts of other ramifcations, too.)

]]> By: Feral http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/12/06/horse/#comment-4976 Feral Tue, 16 Jan 2007 05:21:07 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/12/06/horse/#comment-4976 Suicide? Cute and intuitive, but how about this: It's more like crucifying Peter to pay Paul..yuk yuk. Actually that stamement is more true than most may know. Psst! People don't realize that Paul actually robbed Jesus of the Gospel! They don't know that xtianity might instead have been known as "Paulist" Christianity, or simply, "Paulism", a religion of Paul, an early Christian persecutor-turned-leader who proclaimed a Gospel of Christ. Yet herein lies the rub, so to speak: Paul proclaimed a gospel of Jesus -AS- The Christ as opposed to The Gospel proclaimed by Jesus, who was The Christ BECAUSE of His Gospel. Before Saul's murderous conscience "blinded" him, *snicker!* 1st decade Christians were Jews who believed in Jesus as the promised Messiah, sent by Jehovah to "Save" THE JEWS from the bondage of Rome. The Gospel they proclaimed was the Gospel that Jesus preached through his post baptist ministry, not a "gospel" ABOUT Jesus as Proclaimed by the newly converted Paul. Sorry Ya'll , I just felt like raving a bit. BTW I'm not a theologian, just a post-Katrina queer trying to survive in The Chocolate City. If you have anything personal to say, email me mailto:feralscream@gmail.com and leave the nice athiests here alone. Nope , not an Xtian, either, besides if you are reasonably intelligent and actually read your bible with rationality, you'll understand what I said here. Peace. Gloria In Excelsis Paolus , anyone?? *snort!* Suicide? Cute and intuitive, but how about this: It’s more like crucifying Peter to pay Paul..yuk yuk. Actually that stamement is more true than most may know. Psst! People don’t realize that Paul actually robbed Jesus of the Gospel! They don’t know that xtianity might instead have been known as “Paulist” Christianity, or simply, “Paulism”, a religion of Paul, an early Christian persecutor-turned-leader who proclaimed a Gospel of Christ. Yet herein lies the rub, so to speak: Paul proclaimed a gospel of Jesus -AS- The Christ as opposed to The Gospel proclaimed by Jesus, who was The Christ BECAUSE of His Gospel.

Before Saul’s murderous conscience “blinded” him, *snicker!* 1st decade Christians were Jews who believed in Jesus as the promised Messiah, sent by Jehovah to “Save” THE JEWS from the bondage of Rome. The Gospel they proclaimed was the Gospel that Jesus preached through his post baptist ministry, not a “gospel” ABOUT Jesus as Proclaimed by the newly converted Paul. Sorry Ya’ll , I just felt like raving a bit. BTW I’m not a theologian, just a post-Katrina queer trying to survive in The Chocolate City. If you have anything personal to say, email me mailto:feralscream@gmail.com and leave the nice athiests here alone. Nope , not an Xtian, either, besides if you are reasonably intelligent and actually read your bible with rationality, you’ll understand what I said here. Peace. Gloria In Excelsis Paolus , anyone?? *snort!*

]]> By: mikey http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/12/06/horse/#comment-4831 mikey Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:57:16 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/12/06/horse/#comment-4831 The suicide statement is because catholics believe that god and jesus are one in the same. Also that god is all knowing and has a predetermined plan. Christ is supposed to have been god on earth, therefore if god's plan was for jesus to die...he killed himself. The suicide statement is because catholics believe that god and jesus are one in the same. Also that god is all knowing and has a predetermined plan. Christ is supposed to have been god on earth, therefore if god’s plan was for jesus to die…he killed himself.

]]> By: Jonathan http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/12/06/horse/#comment-2411 Jonathan Tue, 19 Dec 2006 22:03:22 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/12/06/horse/#comment-2411 If r00db00y were a troll, he'd certainly be having a good time now. :) And example 29: If I stand on the railroad tracks when I know a train is coming and it hits me and kills me, is it suicide? If r00db00y were a troll, he’d certainly be having a good time now. :)

And example 29:

If I stand on the railroad tracks when I know a train is coming and it hits me and kills me, is it suicide?

]]> By: GMH http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/12/06/horse/#comment-2375 GMH Mon, 18 Dec 2006 20:14:24 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/12/06/horse/#comment-2375 "Science has been proven wrong as often as any holy text" The process? The positivist, reductionist, methodological approach of Science has been proven false? Ever?? I challenge anyone to cite a case. "Remember, disbelief is just another firm belief." There is a difference between belief based on evidence and a belief in direct contradiction to evidence. Falsely equating the two is a fallacious argument (and often this is deliberate). Let us explore your assertion of the equivalencies of beliefs: New evidence comes to light regarding the age of the earth? Excellent! Science will GLADLY revise it's theory to suit the evidence. Indvidual scientists MAY fail to live up to this expectation and are roundly condemned by the scientific community as a result. It is as it should be. New evidence comes to light regarding the age of the earth? BLASPHEMY! Religious people (some of them) simply deny the evidence and exercise raw power, misinformation, outright lies and obsfucation to maintain and propogate a 'belief' that is demonstratedly FALSE. And rather than being condemned by their community, supposedly 'reasonable' Religious people shuffle along muttering ridiculous post-structuralist crap about 'one belief is as valid as another', thereby providing the zealots with the cover and representational authority to KEEP DOING THIS! There is no equation to be made between these two positions. Not that I have a strong opinion about this or anything :-) Perish the thought... “Science has been proven wrong as often as any holy text”

The process? The positivist, reductionist, methodological approach of Science has been proven false? Ever?? I challenge anyone to cite a case.

“Remember, disbelief is just another firm belief.”

There is a difference between belief based on evidence and a belief in direct contradiction to evidence. Falsely equating the two is a fallacious argument (and often this is deliberate).

Let us explore your assertion of the equivalencies of beliefs:

New evidence comes to light regarding the age of the earth? Excellent! Science will GLADLY revise it’s theory to suit the evidence. Indvidual scientists MAY fail to live up to this expectation and are roundly condemned by the scientific community as a result. It is as it should be.

New evidence comes to light regarding the age of the earth? BLASPHEMY! Religious people (some of them) simply deny the evidence and exercise raw power, misinformation, outright lies and obsfucation to maintain and propogate a ‘belief’ that is demonstratedly FALSE. And rather than being condemned by their community, supposedly ‘reasonable’ Religious people shuffle along muttering ridiculous post-structuralist crap about ‘one belief is as valid as another’, thereby providing the zealots with the cover and representational authority to KEEP DOING THIS!

There is no equation to be made between these two positions.

Not that I have a strong opinion about this or anything :-) Perish the thought…

]]> By: Erick http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/12/06/horse/#comment-2374 Erick Mon, 18 Dec 2006 20:11:10 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/12/06/horse/#comment-2374 <b>OF COURSE HE COMMITTED SUICIDE YOU DOLTS!</b> <i>Ye know that after two days is the feast of the passover, and the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified.</i> <i>-Matthew 26:2</i> If anyone believes his prediction, then Jesus must have known of his upcoming crucifixion. Jesus fulfilling his own prophecy says nothing about miraculous predictions for such self-fulfilling prophecies tend to carry themselves out. But if he lived as an all powerful being, he would have the power to avert his death. But he chose not to. Instead he consciously committed himself to allow his own death. In another word-- suicide. This act of self destruction, especially in light of a horrible disfigured and bleeding torso nailed to a cross hardly gives an exemplary act of the expression of life. OF COURSE HE COMMITTED SUICIDE YOU DOLTS!

Ye know that after two days is the feast of the passover, and the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified.

-Matthew 26:2

If anyone believes his prediction, then Jesus must have known of his upcoming crucifixion. Jesus fulfilling his own prophecy says nothing about miraculous predictions for such self-fulfilling prophecies tend to carry themselves out. But if he lived as an all powerful being, he would have the power to avert his death. But he chose not to. Instead he consciously committed himself to allow his own death. In another word– suicide. This act of self destruction, especially in light of a horrible disfigured and bleeding torso nailed to a cross hardly gives an exemplary act of the expression of life.

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