Comments on: know http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/08/21/know/ Two prophets, living together. Sat, 11 Feb 2012 00:52:27 +0000 hourly 1 By: fenchurch http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/08/21/know/#comment-175195 fenchurch Thu, 06 Oct 2011 16:57:55 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/08/21/know/#comment-175195 What Souldier and his/her ilk don't understand is that the shape of the earth or (insert other sciencey things here) doesn't change over time, but our understanding improves and we become more accurate with our facts and observations as we acquire additional information. Just like a relationship isn't perfect because it never ends, a position isn't perfect because it never changes or improves when new deets come to light. The best thing about the scientific process is that it is self-correcting and the most reliable way we have of knowing something at this point. Maybe it will be thrilling to, later on, learn that we're on Turtle Island after all. But until then, evidence supports spheroid, not herpoid. What Souldier and his/her ilk don’t understand is that the shape of the earth or (insert other sciencey things here) doesn’t change over time, but our understanding improves and we become more accurate with our facts and observations as we acquire additional information.

Just like a relationship isn’t perfect because it never ends, a position isn’t perfect because it never changes or improves when new deets come to light.

The best thing about the scientific process is that it is self-correcting and the most reliable way we have of knowing something at this point. Maybe it will be thrilling to, later on, learn that we’re on Turtle Island after all. But until then, evidence supports spheroid, not herpoid.

]]> By: Matt http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/08/21/know/#comment-173564 Matt Wed, 06 Apr 2011 01:49:32 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/08/21/know/#comment-173564 @Soldier, You should read this essay by Isaac Asimov: http://chem.tufts.edu/AnswersInScience/RelativityofWrong.htm He makes some good points. @Soldier,
You should read this essay by Isaac Asimov:

http://chem.tufts.edu/AnswersInScience/RelativityofWrong.htm

He makes some good points.

]]> By: Max http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/08/21/know/#comment-156754 Max Mon, 19 Oct 2009 06:02:23 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/08/21/know/#comment-156754 Hmm... perhaps it will become a tetrahedron! I always liked the way those look. Or we could go back to the disc on A'Tuin, that giant turtle. Hmm… perhaps it will become a tetrahedron! I always liked the way those look.

Or we could go back to the disc on A’Tuin, that giant turtle.

]]> By: Paper Hand http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/08/21/know/#comment-117254 Paper Hand Mon, 13 Oct 2008 06:36:25 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/08/21/know/#comment-117254 I've never heard of any belief in a "cubical" world at any point in history. I would like to see some evidence that that was believed. And "what shape the world will be next"? I sure hope it doesn't change! I'd like to not fall victim to such a major change. ;-) But, on a more serious note, the issue of the shape of the world is a perfect example of how science progressively increases its understanding of the world. At one time, it was thought that the world was flat. The ancient Greeks realized that it was spherical, and for a long time, that was the general consensus (although, some early Christian theologians did reject the spherical world view in favor of a flat Earth). The Earth was a sphere. Later, it was realized that the Earth was slightly oblate, with a larger equatorial radius than polar. Still later, that was refined even further, and we now know that the maximum radius is a little south of the equator. Each advance got closer to the truth. It wasn't an arbitrary change in view, as if just fashion. The spherical model was wrong, but not nearly as wrong as the flat model, and, indeed, for many purposes, the spherical model works just fine. I’ve never heard of any belief in a “cubical” world at any point in history. I would like to see some evidence that that was believed.

And “what shape the world will be next”? I sure hope it doesn’t change! I’d like to not fall victim to such a major change. ;-)

But, on a more serious note, the issue of the shape of the world is a perfect example of how science progressively increases its understanding of the world. At one time, it was thought that the world was flat. The ancient Greeks realized that it was spherical, and for a long time, that was the general consensus (although, some early Christian theologians did reject the spherical world view in favor of a flat Earth). The Earth was a sphere. Later, it was realized that the Earth was slightly oblate, with a larger equatorial radius than polar. Still later, that was refined even further, and we now know that the maximum radius is a little south of the equator. Each advance got closer to the truth. It wasn’t an arbitrary change in view, as if just fashion. The spherical model was wrong, but not nearly as wrong as the flat model, and, indeed, for many purposes, the spherical model works just fine.

]]> By: Greatness Personified http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/08/21/know/#comment-66866 Greatness Personified Sun, 30 Dec 2007 02:19:29 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/08/21/know/#comment-66866 Um, people knew well before 500 years ago that the earth was round. All they had to do was look at other planets/stars (they are round) or the shadow of the earth on the moon in a lunar eclipse. People saw that when they stood on a tall mountain, or sailed down the coast to trade, they could only see so far yet could always get back; i.e. not fall off the "edge." Um, people knew well before 500 years ago that the earth was round. All they had to do was look at other planets/stars (they are round) or the shadow of the earth on the moon in a lunar eclipse. People saw that when they stood on a tall mountain, or sailed down the coast to trade, they could only see so far yet could always get back; i.e. not fall off the “edge.”

]]> By: Jafet http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/08/21/know/#comment-56738 Jafet Sun, 23 Sep 2007 13:53:11 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/08/21/know/#comment-56738 Of course, the LORD tampered with those photographs to test the faithful, you infidel. Souldier is doing very well. No, actually the space flights and moon landings were all faked. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Moon_Landing_hoax_accusations http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Photoshop See, it all makes sense now, doesn't it. Of course, the LORD tampered with those photographs to test the faithful, you infidel. Souldier is doing very well.

No, actually the space flights and moon landings were all faked. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Moon_Landing_hoax_accusations http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Photoshop See, it all makes sense now, doesn’t it.

]]> By: sacredserenity http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/08/21/know/#comment-20081 sacredserenity Mon, 09 Apr 2007 08:04:04 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/08/21/know/#comment-20081 hey souldier ever seen a photograph of earth taken from outer space... so unless everyone is having big-time optical illusions, the earth is round... or actually orange shaped flattened at the poles hey souldier ever seen a photograph of earth taken from outer space… so unless everyone is having big-time optical illusions, the earth is round… or actually orange shaped flattened at the poles

]]> By: Souldier http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/08/21/know/#comment-4225 Souldier Mon, 08 Jan 2007 18:17:26 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/08/21/know/#comment-4225 Evolution is undeniable fact but until 500 odd years ago people all thought that the world was a cube (no not a flat disc or square, that was never widely believed) and were "scientificly" certain of this. Science is just a rational perception of obvious things. It is often right but it is very important that we can accept it being wrong. Do you ever wonder what shape the world will be next? Evolution is undeniable fact but until 500 odd years ago people all thought that the world was a cube (no not a flat disc or square, that was never widely believed) and were “scientificly” certain of this. Science is just a rational perception of obvious things. It is often right but it is very important that we can accept it being wrong.

Do you ever wonder what shape the world will be next?

]]> By: Hobbes http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/08/21/know/#comment-415 Hobbes Wed, 06 Sep 2006 16:03:32 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/08/21/know/#comment-415 Oops, I meant to add in the previous post the source of the quote: http://www.footnote.tv/mwreligion.html#attitudes Oops, I meant to add in the previous post the source of the quote: http://www.footnote.tv/mwreligion.html#attitudes

]]> By: Hobbes http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/08/21/know/#comment-414 Hobbes Wed, 06 Sep 2006 15:55:07 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/08/21/know/#comment-414 Take a look at this: "47 percent [of Americans] believe that God created humans in the last 10,000 years (a Fundamentalist view of Christianity). About 68 percent of Americans polled favored teaching creationism along with evolution in public schools, and about 40 percent favored teaching creationism instead of evolution. " This is a gift that keeps on giving. Biological evolution is suppressed by the 47% myth-believers. This creates more myth-believers because their children are not allowed an unfettered science education. This leads to the 68% who don't know the difference between a theological myth and a scientific theory. Ignorance begats ignorance! Take a look at this: “47 percent [of Americans] believe that God created humans in the last 10,000 years (a Fundamentalist view of Christianity). About 68 percent of Americans polled favored teaching creationism along with evolution in public schools, and about 40 percent favored teaching creationism instead of evolution. ”

This is a gift that keeps on giving. Biological evolution is suppressed by the 47% myth-believers. This creates more myth-believers because their children are not allowed an unfettered science education. This leads to the 68% who don’t know the difference between a theological myth and a scientific theory. Ignorance begats ignorance!

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