Comments on: proud http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/08/14/proud/ Two prophets, living together. Sat, 11 Feb 2012 00:52:27 +0000 hourly 1 By: fenchurch http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/08/14/proud/#comment-175194 fenchurch Thu, 06 Oct 2011 16:50:39 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/08/14/proud/#comment-175194 The world behaves as though natural laws and phenomena exist without (requiring) the intervention of the supernatural. No gods required. Despite having finite knowledge, one can rely on existing evidence to fearlessly live a life free of worship of a non-manifesting useless deity. Even if one existed, and the character of that deity was in any way accurate to ancient text portrayals, then that deity is not worthy of worship anyway. Maybe some of the cool Hindu or Greek ones that work with humans instead of trolling them all the time (well, you do have Zeus with his bestiality-disguised date rapes-- but we always knew he was a douche). The world behaves as though natural laws and phenomena exist without (requiring) the intervention of the supernatural.
No gods required.
Despite having finite knowledge, one can rely on existing evidence to fearlessly live a life free of worship of a non-manifesting useless deity.

Even if one existed, and the character of that deity was in any way accurate to ancient text portrayals, then that deity is not worthy of worship anyway.
Maybe some of the cool Hindu or Greek ones that work with humans instead of trolling them all the time (well, you do have Zeus with his bestiality-disguised date rapes– but we always knew he was a douche).

]]> By: Ziz http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/08/14/proud/#comment-173203 Ziz Fri, 04 Mar 2011 11:24:50 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/08/14/proud/#comment-173203 Theism is active belief. Atheism is lack of active belief, not active disbelief. Gnosticism is surety of your statement. Agnosticism is lack of total surety in your statement. I am, for all intents and purposes, an agnostic atheist, I cannot 'know', as such, but as burden of proof is on those who make a claim or statement, and no proof has ever been forthcoming, and the fact that deities are all around bloody unlikely, I do not believe. However, when the deity in question is posited to have traits that when combined are contrary in nature, an oxymoron, if you will, I will say with utter certainty, and 'gnosticism' that it cannot exist, in as much as a married bachelor cannot exist. Unfortunately for the Religions of Abraham, this includes the 'god' of all three. Theism is active belief.
Atheism is lack of active belief, not active disbelief.
Gnosticism is surety of your statement.
Agnosticism is lack of total surety in your statement.

I am, for all intents and purposes, an agnostic atheist, I cannot ‘know’, as such, but as burden of proof is on those who make a claim or statement, and no proof has ever been forthcoming, and the fact that deities are all around bloody unlikely, I do not believe.
However, when the deity in question is posited to have traits that when combined are contrary in nature, an oxymoron, if you will, I will say with utter certainty, and ‘gnosticism’ that it cannot exist, in as much as a married bachelor cannot exist.
Unfortunately for the Religions of Abraham, this includes the ‘god’ of all three.

]]> By: Gar http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/08/14/proud/#comment-167898 Gar Wed, 28 Apr 2010 09:41:51 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/08/14/proud/#comment-167898 I've always liked the Spinoza philosophy that 'God' and 'the Universe' don't have a creator/creation relationship, but are just two words for the same thing. I’ve always liked the Spinoza philosophy that ‘God’ and ‘the Universe’ don’t have a creator/creation relationship, but are just two words for the same thing.

]]> By: Naboo http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/08/14/proud/#comment-157684 Naboo Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:41:06 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/08/14/proud/#comment-157684 Beliefs..... Beliefs…..

]]> By: gumbo http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/08/14/proud/#comment-138778 gumbo Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:44:32 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/08/14/proud/#comment-138778 Hi all, I haven't read all the posts here but I wished to respond to people who are telling Tim he is agnostic. I would suggest that you read Richard Dawkins excellent book The God Delusion, where Dawkins lays out the different degrees of atheism. Dawkins Himself feels that most aheists should accept that a God may exists, however unlikely. Like any good scientist we should be aware that we can only ever prove that something is 99.9% correct. Even in a situation where you are sure you are right you can still be wrong. Tim, right on man. Stick with your own beliefs no matter what others think. Hi all,

I haven’t read all the posts here but I wished to respond to people who are telling Tim he is agnostic. I would suggest that you read Richard Dawkins excellent book The God Delusion, where Dawkins lays out the different degrees of atheism. Dawkins Himself feels that most aheists should accept that a God may exists, however unlikely. Like any good scientist we should be aware that we can only ever prove that something is 99.9% correct. Even in a situation where you are sure you are right you can still be wrong.

Tim, right on man. Stick with your own beliefs no matter what others think.

]]> By: Timothy (TRiG) http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/08/14/proud/#comment-129400 Timothy (TRiG) Sun, 11 Jan 2009 14:14:13 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/08/14/proud/#comment-129400 What about igtheism: You tell me what you mean by 'God', and I'll tell you whether or not I believe in it. TRiG. What about igtheism: You tell me what you mean by ‘God’, and I’ll tell you whether or not I believe in it.

TRiG.

]]> By: Paper Hand http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/08/14/proud/#comment-117251 Paper Hand Mon, 13 Oct 2008 06:28:31 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/08/14/proud/#comment-117251 I like to use words like "Aleprechaunist" (one who does not believe in leprechauns) to make the point. I don't believe in leprechauns, because there's no evidence of them. Sure, maybe they're just REALLY good at hiding, and they don't like to be seen. Or maybe they're invisible. But, until and unless I see actual evidence for their existence, I remain an aleprechaunist, just as I remain an atheist until and unless I see evidence for the existence of some kind of god(s), by whatever definition one chooses to use. (Unlike Jafet, I would be willing to use the term "god" for a superhuman being who, never the less, is part of the physical universe, after all, the term is used for beings of limited power in many polytheistic religions) I like to use words like “Aleprechaunist” (one who does not believe in leprechauns) to make the point. I don’t believe in leprechauns, because there’s no evidence of them. Sure, maybe they’re just REALLY good at hiding, and they don’t like to be seen. Or maybe they’re invisible. But, until and unless I see actual evidence for their existence, I remain an aleprechaunist, just as I remain an atheist until and unless I see evidence for the existence of some kind of god(s), by whatever definition one chooses to use. (Unlike Jafet, I would be willing to use the term “god” for a superhuman being who, never the less, is part of the physical universe, after all, the term is used for beings of limited power in many polytheistic religions)

]]> By: Careless http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/08/14/proud/#comment-74284 Careless Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:52:21 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/08/14/proud/#comment-74284 I'm not sure why some people here think that atheism and agnosticism are mutually exclusive. I’m not sure why some people here think that atheism and agnosticism are mutually exclusive.

]]> By: Jafet http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/08/14/proud/#comment-56736 Jafet Sun, 23 Sep 2007 13:24:16 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/08/14/proud/#comment-56736 TO A strong atheist, or a naturalist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalism_(philosophy) there is no new evidence, however compelling, that will come along to show that 2 + 2 = 5. Agnostics say that a God might not exist. Atheists say that a God does not exist. I say that a God cannot exist. Nothing is immune to scientific enquiry. If God is outside the realm of scientific study, then God is irrelevant. If a superhuman entity is amenable to study, I wouldn't call that particular being a God. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theological_noncognitivism The question of falsifiability also remains. Some non-theists continue to have that primitive image of a bearded male human in their heads, and they cannot shake it away. By failing to actively consider the definition and origins of God, they close themselves to scientific thought and go with the popular, politically correct view of agnosticism or doubtful atheism. Anyway, a great comic that is very much needed. I now have another 150 excellent URIs to silence cheerfully deluded people wherever I go. TO A strong atheist, or a naturalist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalism_(philosophy) there is no new evidence, however compelling, that will come along to show that 2 + 2 = 5.

Agnostics say that a God might not exist.
Atheists say that a God does not exist.
I say that a God cannot exist.

Nothing is immune to scientific enquiry. If God is outside the realm of scientific study, then God is irrelevant. If a superhuman entity is amenable to study, I wouldn’t call that particular being a God. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theological_noncognitivism The question of falsifiability also remains. Some non-theists continue to have that primitive image of a bearded male human in their heads, and they cannot shake it away. By failing to actively consider the definition and origins of God, they close themselves to scientific thought and go with the popular, politically correct view of agnosticism or doubtful atheism.

Anyway, a great comic that is very much needed. I now have another 150 excellent URIs to silence cheerfully deluded people wherever I go.

]]> By: Aristotle http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/08/14/proud/#comment-56528 Aristotle Sat, 22 Sep 2007 05:32:03 +0000 http://www.jesusandmo.net/2006/08/14/proud/#comment-56528 In the unlikely event that anyone reads this I felt I should add my two cents: Atheist: A person who <i>lacks</i> a belief in god. Agnostic: an atheist who lacks balls/ovaries/gonads. In the unlikely event that anyone reads this I felt I should add my two cents:

Atheist: A person who lacks a belief in god.
Agnostic: an atheist who lacks balls/ovaries/gonads.

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